Personally felt a lot kf the criticism on Gio for the Everton game was harsh (and I tend to be fairly critical of Gio) wasn't his best game clearly. He was just kind of there. Forest again is running into an issue where the Keeper just isn't good. Not really a defense of Turner, but man Selz tends to let in easy easy goals each week
Keeps the price down when they offer to buy him from Dortmund. If he were on the selling block, they'd be raving about him
As I said in the other thread, Gio got a 6.1. WS. Bad. But it was the highest among NF mids and wings.
That’s something very different than criticizing GG for not playing Gio before he was willing to pass a simple fitness test.
That’s the way I saw the game too. There’s was nothing going on on NF’s left, and their #10 was a turnover machine. I turned the game after Gio got subbed off so I don’t know how those players finished the game, But Gio was their best mid (even with his mistakes here and there).
I wouldn’t tell Tyler he’s going to have a limited role if his fitness at the beginning of a World Cup was what it was last month. I’d limit his minutes early with sights on knockout games.
I would tell Tyler exactly that, and I think his response would be very different than Reyna's was. I would think that if Adams wasn't fit and was told he'd have a limited role, he'd work hard to show the coaching staff--and his teammates--that he'd be ready for whatever minutes they deemed he'd be needed for. If he weren't fully fit he'd understand that he'd have a limited role to begin with. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy about it--but reality is what it is. Of course you want to play every minute. I'm sorry, you're not fit to play every minute. Recognize it. Don't whine. Work hard and be ready. But Adams is older than Reyna, and is a much more mature person (even at the same age). Hence why he's worn the captain's armband on various teams in his career.
Just watched the game and thought Gio was better than suggested. He had a classy or clever touch on most of NF's best attacking moments in the first half. In the 4th minute, Reyna gets the ball at midfield, back to goal. Neco Williams sprints up the sideline, and Reyna slips the ball between their defenders into his path. Williams plays a long 1-2 with Gibbs-White in the attacking midfield slot and gets it back on the right flank of the box. Where he doesn't do much with it. Gio, following the play, collects the ball, still in the box, and puts a soft cross to Chris Wood's back foot. Shot blocked and ball cleared. In the 5th minute, Reyna ventures to the left side, picks off a pass, plays forward to Gibbs-White just outside the corner of the box, gets the return pass, spins and finds Williams again in space on the right side outside of the box, and ...... again he doesn't do much. Then Reyna didn't see much of the ball from minute 7-20ish, because NF couldn't hold on to it. Especially Gibbs-White, who had a shockingly bad game. Around minute 20, Reyna sees the ball a few times, where he opts to backpass without much pressure. He was being too passive, IMO. In the 22ish minute, Reyna goes to the left side and collects a loose ball, He composes, finds Danilo just outside the box and makes a run looking for the return pass. Danilo loses control and the ball sputters in Reyna's general direction. This is where Reyna gets taken down in the box. Call could go either way, but it would have been a soft penalty. But I thought it was neat that he started the sequence. A couple minutes later, Reyna gets a pass about 30 yards from goal in the center of the field. Gets blasted by the defender. Clear foul. No call. A few minutes later, Reyna intercepts a pass deep in Everton territory by raising his right leg. He knocks it beautifully to Gibbs-White, who at this point is sort of 2-1 with Wood. Don't remember what happened, but the rest wasn't good. Around minute 40, the left back Aina and Hudson-Odoi work the ball upfield on the left. Aina lofts one to Wood inside penalty box. Wood knocks it down toward Reyna, who runs it down and heads the bounce over to Gibbs-White just inside the box. MGW expects contact and leans too far into it. HIs shot goes wide, but straight at Wood a yard or two from goal. Pickford slides over and makes a good close-in save. A few minutes later, Gio is in the center circles and picks up an errant touch and plays it forward to somebody. The ball circulates around for a while, and eventually gets played to Hudson-Odoi. HIs kick toward goal deflects off the defender's outstretched arm. Clear penalty not given. Reyna takes the ensuing corner, puts it in a nice spot, but no one there. Partly because Everton tackled all of the goalmouth attackers. Could have been another penalty shout. Ball circulates back to Reyna, who puts in another cross, this one too long and not accurate enough. In his eight minutes of the second half, he had a couple of small moments. At the end of his shift, he found himself wide open around the penalty spot, but Hudson-Odoi was too busy failing to dribble around his man to get the ball there in time. The defenders recover and he has to play the ball wide to WIlliams, who ..... doesn't do anything good with it. If WIlliams had just done his job in the past two games, Reyna would have a couple of hockey assists, and there would be no debate. I gotta say, though, I didn't have a problem with the substitution. With CHO, MGW, Reyna, and Wood, you don't really have anyone to run in behind the defense. All pitchers and no outfielders. That was missing from the offense. So it was a reasonable tactical move. But it didn't work out. After Reyna left, there was more motion in the NF offense. But not much in the way of chances.
True. Sometimes one poster says something and another poster responds with a point that is unrelated.
I agree. With respect to both Tyler and Gio. If Gio refused a fitness test that poor professionalism on his part. That's also a different matter than the general principle that you should invest in an important player in the group matches if he isn't 100%.
Tyler would probably kick the coach in the shins to prove his fitness. And everyone would exclaim about what a mensch he was.
Well, if the pressure got to everyone, they shook it off pretty well. I mean, they got out of the group.
My guess is that Tyler would hurt himself in practice trying to prove he was fit enough to play every minute. The useless comment about having a limited role would be just as counterproductive, just in a different way.
What do you think the difference was between Adams' little tiff with Berhalter when he was taken off in the Jamaica game and Gio's tiff with Gregg at WC?
Tyler wouldn't do that. Tyler would go out and destroy everyone on the field to prove his fitness level. He'd play really well, like he did in Nations League, and then be pissed when pulled. I mean, we have a literal example of it: Tyler was told his minutes would be limited. That's the difference. He didn't pout. He didn't do the OPPOSITE of proving the coach wrong. He didn't take the ball and go home. He didn't like it, but he did what needed to do.
Tyler seemed a little entitled. I kid, I kid. We all know Tyler would never hurt the team and that he apologized to the team afterwards…I kid, I kid.
One refused to take a fitness test, sulked and called his mommy, who tried to get the coach fired. The other was disappointed about being substituted. Is that the correct answer?
Reads much different without the part after the last comma in the first paragraph. I’m surprised no one is addressing that the communication about limited minutes was ineffective in both instances. Some people pout (Gio, Lalas, Landon), some cry it out (Timo) and others lash out (Tyler, Dempsey). Not sure why soccer is not conducive to a next man up culture, but it seems not to be. Maybe that’s why folks on here are defending a communication style (telling people they will have a limited role) that seems counter intuitive to a team game.
I really like the line ‘soccer isn’t conducive to next man up’ (paraphrase). I don’t know if it’s true, but it feels that way. It should be understood the manager is trying to win and that guides his decisions. If a player wants to know what they need to do to play a bigger role, it’s ok to ask and a good manager will explain it to the player. But ultimately, it should be about the team and not individuals. The best thing you can do when not playing is be a good teammate, that’s not a limited contribution in the team’s success in my eyes.