Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    update on this from Fall 2023, LOL.

    so looks like 04 LB/W Duhring is now training with 2BL Pauli 1st team due to injury issues and for performing in RL. I recall he always looked interesting for Dortmund Youth few years ago now knocking on pro door.

    that list is something though.
    -03 M Jessen moving to Dortmund II in Summer following success of another ex Pauli 02 M Roggow at Dortmund II in 3rd Liga
    -04 AM/W Marie is moving to 2BL EB in Summer
    -02 CB Scheller is moving to 2BL Paderborn in Summer

    this just continues to highlight how shitty most German clubs are with their own youth tbh. Like every club is like this where you have X amount of 1st prospects and not long later you end up with almost no one left because of 0 integration and yes Pauli integrating Academy is basically 0.

    Pauli has ex youth coach but those guys are the WORST when it comes to integration and they show that they only took youth coaching to start their career not because they give 2 shits about dev young players. And funnily enough they get hired by clubs because the clubs think they have good track record with young players, LOL.

    so all that is left from this list is
    04 CF Winter (has pro contract, should bag double digits in RL but with club going up to 1BL he likely will get screwed over), 06 RB Moreira (who is linked with plenty of other clubs. Open whether he signs pro contract or not) and that's it.

    also 04 CB Appe, 05 GK Jendrej, 02 AM/W Clausen have all trained with 1st team or made bench in past too.

    back to 04 LB Duhring.

    LOL that 04 LB pool is packed with
    Finkgrafe (1BL), Ullrich (1BL), Ba (Austrian 1st), Rothe (2BL loan, to 1BL promotion candidates), Zehnter (2BL), Jarju (1BL, needs loan), T.Muller (1BL, made bench), Duhring (2BL 1st training, good chance to make pro bench debut over weekend too.)

    from this list Finkgrafe, Rothe, Zehnter=all have already brokenthrough set XI too. So already 3/8 have already done it.
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    1BL Koln Sporting Director Keller has basically named the players he rates from Academy
    -04=LB Finkgrafe, CF Downs, CB Bakatukanda, M Waschenbach.......he didn't name AM/W Diehl because he's bailing to Stuttgart (yeah Stuttgart who can't integrate own youth but will bring in Woltemade+Diehl from other clubs, LOL. The typical, salivating over what others have but indifference to one's own......)
    -05=CB Pauli, CB Telle

    I presume for 06 it's GK Blazic, RB von der Hitz, and M Harchaoui


    it does look like players like 04 CB Smajic (poached by Bosnia), 04 M Kujovic (poached by Montenegro), 05 CB Monning have lost their relevance. Oh well will never root for poached players over non-poached and 2/3 listed here=poached. As for Monning+Smajic how many CBs can make any 1st team, LULZ. Overall this post lists 5 CBs.......
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    on topic of 05 M Ulrich of 1BL Stuttgart.
    ones who watched him play aka RL since he returned from injury are full of praise for him. And that he's slowly getting back to his pre-injury form and that he's playing style is like Spain/Barca's Xavi too.

    I mean we saw in U19 Euro Elite Round Qualifier how whenever he played he elevated the team and the combination play between Ulrich+Bischof+Pejcinovic or Ulrich+Bischof+Pejcinovic+Maza was beautiful footy and exactly what made the 2005 Age Group famous. The dribbling, passing, small space moves, flicks/heels, throughball, crossing, movement in synch etc.

    But since we never played with best 05 Age Group and the U19 coach was a defensive freak who played like 8 defensive players the footy of U19 this season was atrocious shit and player like Ulrich was benched for more defensive players and inferior ones on top of that too. And we saw nothing great in those 6 Qualifiers was more winging it for results. LOL what a parody.

    I think the U19 NT coach was spooked by U19 Euro qualifiers that he thought he could grind results by going defensive overload. But issue is that has never worked for Germany at any level, going D crazy we usually end up losing, LOL. Also funny is that a few times this strategy ALMOST worked but we get screwed as other team scores goalazos. Like Croatia scored 2/2 goalazos in their 2-1 W and we missed a PK, so that match could very well have ended differently.
     
  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    update on 2 2005s
    -According to 3rd Liga Unterhaching technical director looks like they are gonna sell 05 AM/W Krattenmacher in Summer. So he's likely going relevant pro wherever that leads in Summer, so 1BL-2BL-1st Abroad.

    -looks like Dortmund extended due to clause the contract for 05 M Lubach but even with extension he's looking like he's won't bother staying at club. Guess Dortmund extended just to make some money off of him but if he's rejecting Dortmund II in 3rd Liga one would assume that he's going to higher level in Summer so 1BL-2BL-1st Abroad level.
     
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It will be very interesting where Tom Bischof ('05) will move in summer. He rarely gets gametime at TSG Hoffenheim and his contracts runs out in 2025. There is currently no reason for him to extend the contract while this summer is the last chance for Hoffenheim to get a significant fee for their top talent. Overall it's quiet sad that things have not turned out better for Germany's U19 captain in his youth club. A move in summer is needed.





    imagine that Bayern wanted to poach Bischof+Ulrich from Hoffenheim+Stuttgart, so both pounced on pro contracts and both claimed oh at their clubs they have better prospects than Bayern....where are those prospects????

    Bischof actually impressed in his 1 XI but the coach showed 0 consistency in integration. After his 1 XI which they won 3-2 and he got praised he then got left out of the squad, bench in 1st team or scrap mins and hasn't played XI since Fall.

    the club then proceeded to integrate 04 M Tohumcu instead.....eh I think Bischof has higher ceiling tbh and also play older Ms who have lower ceiling and he got completely left behind in 1st team.

    problem is that Hoffenheim has toooooo many Ms excluding Bischof you got 6 players for 3 positions, that doesn't help whatsoever. And then due to Tohumcu he fit the "youth integration" bill so they are unlikely to integrate another player in same position in same season. Reminds me of Bayern with 04 M Pavlovic and 05 M Aseko......potential wise Aseko is higher than Pavlovic but Pavlovic brokethrough taking advantage of Aseko and 1st team injuries.......

    this is more reason why German integration is trash and boring to follow, LOL. Majority of top talents get screwed over for lesser players or lack of space.

    why the cowardice integrate both Tohumcu and Bischof together.

    then players who should fully breakthrough end up getting loan dumps instead of integration.

    this is also why I believe that NO top talent should play U19 to last second. One of only + is that 2005 good chunk of top talents this season are no longer in U19 but playing in II/RL.

    it makes HUGE difference
    -play U19 to last second, following season=spend all season in RL
    -skip last U19 season to play RL, following season=either you breakthrough perm 1st team or go on loan. Still ********ing dumb that top talents need loans as most clubs can't integrate anymore.

    playing U19 to last second basically delays any pro breakthroughs by 1-2 years...... Its why its stupid shit and ******** all clubs who make their top talents play U19 to last second.
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think one of biggest 1BL issues when it comes to topic of 2005 Age Group is this
    too many at Bayern Munich, Stuttgart and Wolfsburg=3/3 clubs don't integrate. You might get scrap mins but more=shocking, LOL.

    :cry::cry::cry:

    imagine Aseko+Buchmann wasted their chances to breakthrough Bayern and then KNOWN fact that Bayern will go spending crazy in Summer, so neither is likely to breakthrough now. Their best chance not Buchmann as he's out for season by the looks of it, so Aseko is if he can manage 1-2 XIs at Bayern and they decide to trust him next season for bigger role.....but chances are it won't make any difference and will be blocked come Summer. He likely missed chance for direct breakthrough. While Pavlovic is likely gonna continue in 1st team.

    They both are likely to get loan dumping, which highlights why Bayern is a stupid ass club.

    imagine 05 CB Klemens got shifted to become 05 DM Klemens at 2BL Hertha Berlin. Where did the A-Holes Bayern poach Aseko......from Hertha Berlin......if Aseko had stayed at Hertha he would already be 2BL XI and just 1 level below 1BL.....instead he wastes time injured or playing RL only to end up on 2BL-1st Abroad loan come Summer.......this just highlights why all these big clubs transfer are RETARDED.

    and then players take longer than they would to breakthrough 1BL........
     
  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    speaking of Youth Chances, 1BL Frankfurt Sporting Director Krosche, highlighted how HUGE benefit the II team REVIVAL has done for youth chances......

    LOL no shit and ******** Bobic who kept hijacking any II revival because he didn't want it but was making up lies from up his ass and screwing Academy and then constantly bitching about talents blablabla and how he's forced to block the youth because jump from U19 to 1BL is TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BIG.....LOL. But then has 0 loaning plan, in fact that asshat, gave the shittiest loans to German youth while all the foreign youth and players got pro loans, LOL. He was basically pushing for the success of the non-Germans.

    Krosche highlited how 04 CB Collins and 05 RB Baum both have played 1 XI each and how 02 W Futkeu and 05 AM/W Mladenovic (poached by Serbia) also played 1 cap this season as well. Compare this to like last player to play XI is Barkok almost 10 years ago......:confused::confused::confused:

    also at how from U17-U19-II there are plenty more talents but that he didn't want to name them.

    and yet again this highlight the reality of what I said years ago that RB Leipzig is a full of shit club, like Bayer, Hertha/Frankfurt under Bobic, Koln under Veh and list goes on and on.

    why is that Krosche an ex Leipzig guy has done sooooo much for Frankfurt and youth promotion while NOTHING every happened at Leipzig, LOL.

    Like I recall Krosche at Leipzig wanted to bring back II and help the youth get better propping but its clear that the rest at club had 0 interest in that and very likely got overruled too. The rest of the club were into the whole lets lie and BS about shit the German youth are so that we don't integrate and that we focus on foreign youth with pro experience from 1st Abroad to dev/sell, LOL.

    can't be coincidence that moment he dumps Leipzig and goes to a club that is Leipzig like in attitude and he changes entire club when it comes to Academy topic.

    Frankfurt is an example of difference having II and no II makes. Its why clubs with no II rarely ever integrates anyone. How those clubs lure any top talents is beyond me, LOL.

    the clowns at Leipzig under Eberl seem to have opened the possibility of maybe in future of reviving II. Why because they realized that they likely will never integrate any player from U19s and loaning directly from U19 doesn't always work well for players. RL/II is actually a good intermediate 1st step into adult footy. Although problem with that club is that their interest in reviving II is 100% linked to wanting it to eventually get 3rd Liga promotion........o_O

    all these loser clubs who axed II almost all have regretted doing it, 3 1BL-2BL clubs revived their IIs in past 1-2 year.

    next season looking like KSC II and Bochum II are both being revived, so another 2 1BL-2BL clubs reviving their IIs.
     
  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    looks like 05 RB Gevorgyan of Liefering in Austrian 2nd division is headed for relevant pros in Summer. With 1BL Bochum, 2 Serie A clubs Hellas Verona and US Lecce, 2BL S04 and Austrian 1st Rapid Vienna all interested in him.


    always welcome more RBs making relevant pro jump.

    but makes you wonder why does S04 bother when they have 06 RB Bulut.....these clubs never seem satisfied with their own players and they constantly claim that Bulut is huge talent etc.
     
  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    LOL, Dortmund U19 won U19 West with 5 games to go.....


    watch them have almost nobody play in II/3rd Liga even though they have won their division and Championship is after those 5 games.

    these clubs are pretty useless can't even integrate players in II team and that's main reason its been said that Lubach wants to bail, just takes one look to see how atrocious Dortmund II has been for U19 players.

    and then Dortmund fans have lovefest in shitting on Brunner for being iffy on extending, LOL. Take a look at how the 1st team is dev Moukoko and at how the II team is dev U19 players post U19 and you see that the club is looking like deadend one.
     
  10. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    looks like someone from DFB admitted what I've been saying that the transitional area of German footy is complete and utter SHIT and parody worthy stuff.

    -talked about how countries outside Germany don't care about U19 vs our obsession with that shit.....LOL
    -about how in other countries 15-16-17-18 y/o are jumping very early to adult or pro footy.
    -we are lagging MASSIVELY behind the transtion area
    -critizes that from U17 WC champions only Ouedraogo and Jeltsch have brokenthrough pros...yeah because every A-Hole club are like frick off winning U17 WC means NOTHING, they need time we can't rush them blablablablabala. HUGE lovefest for every German player out there needs time aka years and years but every foreign player is ready for pros, LOL.
    -says the dev opportunities in Germany=suboptimal........NO SHIT, LOL.
    -critized that too many clubs in past axed their II which also is a problem......was always a problem its why stupid that DFB allowed them to begin with. II teams should have stayed obligatory. Not sure why DFB allowed clubs to axe them
    -looks pro U21 league.

    I mean if we want to talk about German early upping it goes like this.
    oh U17=2007 Age Group, a few 2008 play with 2007
    oh U19=2005-2006 Age Group, a few 2007 play with 2005-2006
    oh RL=a decent amount of 2005 playing at this level

    this shit is your "early" upping, LULZ, hahahahahahahah. Its basically upped by 1 level 1 year earlier and that's it......its PATHETIC SHIT. And what he's talking about was that in other countries 16 y/o are playing U21.

    this is also what screws German youth. While our kids waste endless years in pointless youth shit. Youth Around Europe breakthrough pros faster and then 1BL clubs screw their own players for players from 1st Abroad level who already have pro experience and thus 1BL jump would be smaller for them and they can also dev/sell those players without worry about too much integration.......keep saying German footy is nothing but self-sabotage by clubs and management and 0 planning.

    I'm sorry but U21 league is dumb shit. Its just a youth league how the ******** is that beneficial??? If EPL2 was so amazing why do so many of their youth go League One-League Two loans aka 3rd Liga-RL level. Its pointless, RL at least you play vs Adult which is important in physically obsessed Germany and can even go up to 3rd Liga. Once they get that Adult jump hurdle they can go upwards to relevant pros. Don't see how some dumbass U21 youth league is beneficial. Like German clubs BITCH about players needing adult experience and people always bring up topic of U21 league......dumb.

    and yeah the transitional area being shit is a HUGE problem.

    everything mentioned is something I've been saying in here for YEARS and YEARS. Makes you wonder how some rando online noticed stuff faster than DFB clowns who have all the manpower, resources etc at their disposal.
     
  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    although will say I'm Anti-early upping when it comes to DFB YNT.

    the last thing we need is every player getting jealous that X or Y got upped early and not then and bitching about it. The more duals you have the more early upping could end up being a negative. And then you up players to higher age group then you screw players from those higher age groups and their dev. It's better if they stay in their own age groups.

    only early upping I advocate is U21 and that's it. As U21=call ups based on pro progress who gives a shit about age group or whatever at that point.
     
  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    a player who everyone prasies around Germany and even foreign scouts.


    what idiocy does one notice?


    Answer=why the ******** is he still in U16 and hasn't been upped to U17 at MIN. Like even top talents are made to waste WHOLE ********ing year playing his own age group and wasting time.
     
  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #24738 Ger90, Apr 19, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2024
    Summer Transfers (this ignores ALL pro contracts and loanees unless confirmed)
    1BL
    -02 M Kerber to Heidenheim
    -03 LB Brown to Frankfurt
    -06 AM Dardai to Wolfsburg

    2BL
    -02 AM Schmahl to Elversberg.........could be Wanner's replacement
    -02 W Kelati to Kiel.......1BL Promotion Candidates
    -02 CB Scheller to Paderborn
    -03 CF Schmidt to FD
    -03 W Rossmann to FD
    -03 M Jander to FCN
    -04 AM/W Marie to EB
    -04 RB Eitschberger confirmed back to Hertha after successful 3rd Liga loan
     
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    2BL HSV coach Baumgart basically writes off 04 CF Sanne.....yeah that was always obvious. Like why does 07 CF Stange train with 1st team but not Sanne.....

    Baumgart praised Sanne's scoring qualities and how dominant he is in RL but that jump to 2BL was HUGE.....LOL same story when he was coaching 1BL Koln tbh, but stupid that RL to 2BL is smaller gap and still same excuses.

    funny since Sanne has 1 goal in 2 2BL caps and has impressed in every 1st team friendly....but lets pretend that he's only ever shown himself in RL, LOL.

    if he was so high on Sanne why do his chances come in MAYBE Summer 2024 Preseason and not before. He's indirectly implying that loan dumping is more likely. So guess he'll end up in 3rd Liga if he stays in Germany and goes on loan......honestly he should bail perm. No point in sticking around a club that doesn't trust you.
     
  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    looks like at 2BL Hertha there is expectations that soon enough 05 CB Hoffmann could breathrough 1st team he has pro contract too and has made his debut in 2BL where he impressed.

    would be great to see that both 05 DM/CB Klemens and 05 CB Hoffmann might both breakthrough at Hertha together. Very rare to see 2 CB pairing in youth level BOTH breakthrough same club, usually 1 is MAX.

    with them and 04 CB Gechter who is regular in 1st team this likely means that 04 CB Kiala has no future at Hertha too. And likely reduces prospects of 05 CB Matiebel who has trained with 1st team too.

    interesting to see that 05 CBs like Drexler, Klemens.......Hoffmannn (possibly soon) all breakingthrough before a Buchmann+Fritschi=2/2 injury prone players. Even the poached by Italy Chiarodia and poached by Serbia Simic are making slow progress in 1BL-Serie A.

    Will be curious to see who will be next breakthrough in relevant pros from 05 CBs
    -Buchmann at Bayern, has pro contract
    -Fritschi at Stuttgart, has pro contract
    -Reinhardt at Stuttgart, seems well liked but he seems squeezed between Fritschi and Herwerth
    -Pauli+Telle at Koln, confirmed 1st prospects
    -Ihendu at Bremen, confirmed 1st prospect
    -Atom at Brighton, dumb transfer and EPL loves loan army
    -Agyekum+Bornschein both looking like potential 1st prospects at HSV although Baumgart as coach=LOL for chances
    -Kohler at Leipzig, has pro contract, needs loan
    -Frees at Hoffenheim, gets a lot of hype and looks like 1st prospect
    -Schlicke at Furth, has pro contract and already made his debut
    -Wimmer at Bayern, has trained with 1st team but likely has no future at club
    -Matiebel at Hertha has trained with 1st team but too many CBs, LOL.
    -Munz at Bayer, has made bench for club and a lot of training but this ain't an integration club, will need loan or perm out
    -Florke at Paderborn has trained with 1st team
    -Barthel at S04, confirmed 1st prospect
    -Likaj, at S04 lost all relevance to Barthel and others. Weird that he made squad in U17 Euro when he's mostly bencher these days......

    I'm sure I'm missing bunch, just a quick half-assed list, LOL that ignores ALL non 1BL-2BL Academies although even from 1BL-2BL might be missing few.
     
  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    04 W Chakroun signs pro contract at 2BL H96.


    “LEARNED TO PLAY FOOTBALL ON THE FOOTBALL FIELDS OF HANNOVER”
    U23 attacker Husseyn Chakroun signs professional contract
    The next talent from the 96 Academy is promoted to the professionals: offensive player Husseyn Chakroun receives a licensed player contract that runs until 2026.

    16 goal participations in the Regionalliga Nord
    Last summer, Husseyn Chakroun moved to the 96 Academy and has since appeared in 27 games for the U23s in the Regionalliga Nord. He contributed a strong 16 goals (six goals, ten assists). The 19-year-old brings a lot of local color with him: Before the attacker wore the 96 jersey, he was active in his youth in the Hanover region with JFV Calenberger Land and in the city of Hanover with Fortuna Sachsenross and the HSC.

    96 sports director Marcus Mann: "Husseyn immediately established himself as a regular player in his first season in the U23 and contributed to the good results in the regional league with his performances. We still see some potential in him and are happy to tie him to his home club In the past we have always emphasized keeping an eye on football in and around Hannover. Husseyn is an example that there is no one time to go to the 96 academy It was just right that he came to us a little later. That's why it's worth looking at the surrounding clubs, even in the older youth sector."

    Husseyn Chakroun: "It is very special for me to sign my first professional contract with my hometown club. I learned to play football on the streets and football fields of Hanover. It has always been my dream to play in this stadium at some point. I am happy I am now a little closer to this dream, but I also know that there is still a lot of hard work ahead of me. From my first day at the 96 Academy, all the employees there supported me and worked with me intensively and individually I am very grateful to the people in the academy, but of course to all my trainers and assistant trainers who accompanied me on this path and contributed to my development."

    Continue with U23 until the end of the season
    During the last international break, Chakroun was able to get a taste of professional life and took part in a few units under head coach Stefan Leitl. He was also used in the friendly win over Werder Bremen. He will continue to play and train with the U23s until the end of the current season. Daniel Stendel's team takes first place in the Regionalliga Nord five games before the end of the season and is therefore on course for the relegation games to the 3rd league.
     
  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    this is why Germany footy makes no sense.

    so 2BL H96 bring in 02 AM/W Scott and 04 AM Damar on loan in Summer 2023.....but then both get sidelined due to injury (Scott) or because H96 started to shove them aside for their own players.......like why didn't you focus on your own youth from day 1 instead of loaning in.......and then because of this how many players get screwed over???

    like suddenly
    -01 AM/W Oudenne got upped to 1st team with pro contract and he plays more than Scott+Damar and even 6 XIs where Scott+Damar=0 XIs combined.
    -then 01 AM/W Gindorf DOMINATES RL and he gets pro contract in April and he took starts to overtake the 2 younger players

    LOL.

    then H96 sign 05 AM/W Ndikom to pro contract and he too is making 1st team but yet to debut. And now 04 W Chakroun also signs pro contract, LMAO.

    like WTF and over weekend, Ouedenne, Gindorf, Scott, Damar, Ndikom all made the 1st team bench. Yeah what nonesense and this is why the loans for Scott+Damar (+Foti foreign youth on loan from Frankfurt) didn't pan out too much competition that H96 shoved in 1st team.....this isn't how integration should work.......

    imagine Damar was good enough for 1 1BL XI with Hoffenheim but at 2BL H96 can't even play scrap mins. Constantly impresses in RL when forced there and in 1st team friendlies but then real matches 0 chances......
     
  18. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    so 04 AM/W looking like
    -Chakroun, pro contract at 2BL H96
    -Gruda, brokethrough 1BL XI
    -Diehl, brokethrough 1BL and also played pre-injury his 1st XI too. Looks headed to 1BL Stuttgart in Summer
    -Bamba, has 3 1BL caps with Dortmund but looks to have no future there but tons of clubs want him. Lets hope lands a 1BL gig with his speed/dribbling could be weapon.
    -Kabadayi, brokethrough 2BL on loan XI and overall doing well
    -Kade, brokethrough Swiss 1st XI
    -Kaygin, trying to breakthrough Austrian 1st, has already made his debut
    -Paula, has made 1BL Stuttgart bench but clear he's likely to bail and being wasted. Tons of clubs want to poach him too.
    -Damar, his 2BL loan not working out and not really his fault. Has 1 1BL XI from last season.
    -Baur, XI at Freiburg II in 3rd Liga and has made numerous bench this season for 1BL Freiburg. Likely to make his debut this season
    -Wagbe, has pro contract at 2BL Kiel and made his debut but doubtful he has any prospects if they go up.
    -Niehoff, has dominated RL and has 1 goal and 1 assist in 4 2BL games. Kiel who are 1BL promotion candidates want to extend while 1BL Gladbach want to poach

    this is relevant pro list, it ignores 3rd Liga-RL.
     
  19. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    its interesting to see Dortmund's 04s making their way into pro footy
    -CF Moukoko=brokethrough 1BL ages ago
    -CB Collins=recently started to breakthrough 1BL with Frankfurt
    -LB Rothe=on 2BL Kiel loan brokethrough XI all season and club going up to 1BL at this point
    -LB Duhring=training with 2BL Pauli team this week for 1st time
    -CB Cisse=went to Serie A club Genoa where he made couple of bench this season and then in Winter went to Belgian 2nd division where he's XI
    -CB Blank=made his 1BL Dortmund debut for entire 2nd half but in Winter transfered to RB Salzburg where he's gotten some injury issues so yet to debut but given how much money they spent he likely will in future
    -W Bamba=has 3 1BL caps with Dortmund and looks to be going to relevant pros in Summer
    -M Ludwig=went to Dutch 2nd division where he brokethrough XI

    If we equalivent Belgian 2nd/Dutch 2nd to 3rd Liga level, they are all making pro progress this season.

    so 5/8 have played 1BL. We seem headed for 3 MIN in 1BL next season and the rest well on their way to establishing themselves at pro level.

    the only losers are
    Mrosek who ditched Germany for Poland and Walz who constantly said he wants Italy neither can establish themselves in RL.......And also Nwachukwu who got destroyed by injuries and still clubless.

    not gonna include GK Kirsch to losers as only 1 can play XI in Dortmund II and he's down the pecking order to #3-4.
     
  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Austrian Bundesliga
    -04 AM/W Kaygin played his 2nd cap for Rapid as 89th min sub. Wonder if he'll play 1st XI before end of season?

    RL (been mostly ignoring 3rd Liga-RL and just focusing on relevant pros but some interesting)
    -04 CF Japaur bagged his 9th of season in 1-1 for Augsburg II. Him and 04 CF B.Winter (Pauli II) should be next CFs to bag double digits.
    -04 W Meisel continues his scoring run for S04 II and scored his 5th in 1-1 D. Remember only brokethrough recenty XI aka 4 goals in 3 XIs, scoring in 3/3 and 5 goals in past 5 matches. Curious to see if he's next 04 AM/W who jumps to relevant pros or not. He has trained with 2BL S04 1st too in past.
     
  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the way 04 CF Topp is dev one would assume he'll end up in 1BL in Summer 2024 or Summer 2025. Prior to his move to S04 who poached him from Bremen, TONS of 1BL clubs wanted him but the S04 project won him over and it was right move as he's breakingthrough.

    the U21 Cycle of 04-05 could be very interesting for CFs (actually looks interesting in every position).

    but so far we are still far away from their cycle, you still have rest of this season, next season and Summer 2025 where players could make relevant pro jump before start of cycle.

    04-05 CFs making progress
    -1BL=Moukoko, Pejcinovic, Weiper, Downs (club might go down to 2BL), Imasuen, Torsiello (club might go down to 2BL)
    -2BL=Topp (how long until he goes up to 1BL???), Tresoldi (how long until he goes up to 1BL???), Ansah
    -1st Abroad=Copado

    we are already seeing 10 players from these 2 Age Groups making pro progress. Between 3rd Liga-RL-U19 more will likely emerge too. No point in naming any of them until they jump to relevant pros of 1BL-2BL-1st Abroad.

    and then if we add the obligatory Brunner+Moerstedt from 06s who could be candidates for next U21 cycle too. Both seem on track for 1BL breakthrough.

    damn even if you ignore Brunner+Moerstedt+all 06 CFs or the fact that we are seeing 07 CFs like Izekor+Stange etc either debuting (Izekor) or closing in on debuts.

    how does one choose???
    you can't ignore Moukoko, Pejcinovic, Weiper, Topp, Tresoldi

    but if you include the 2
    Moukoko, Topp, Tresoldi, Pejcinovic, Weiper, Moerstedt, Brunner...........that's some STACKED QUALITY CF POOL!!!!

    its NEVER been this stacked either at any U21 Cycle.

    I can think of a few more names that could make it even more stacked too but lets see if they breakthrough relevant pros 1st.

    reason I don't highlight much Downs or Imasuen, German-Americans=LOL USA will pounce on them. But even if there wasn't the poaching aspect, I don't rate them as much as the others. And even most people think Downs has 1BL package but isn't anything Elite or HUGE talent but potential to be good 1BL CF and that's it. Downs could make the list even more stacked but feels like tick tock before he gets poached, USA is a pathetic country that poach left and right from Europe. As for Ansah he's very raw player still needs to work on his finishing but has whole package to make it to 1BL and he too, but I don't rate him as others, does very well the wall aspect and imposing himself on other Ds and has shown skills too.

    what I hope for is that Moukoko has a breakout season next season and that he does NOT play 04-05 U21 cycle....he's actually never played with his own age group, LOL. No need to start now, leave the focus on others and we don't need to see Moukoko part of 3 back to back U21 cycle, LOL.
     
  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    less we forget that our noble and fun going troll poster spent more time shitting on Torsiello and Copado then on discussing the reality of things, LOL. What a clown.

    guy bitches hard when Torsiello has never played anything but friendlies and Copado has been ignored by dfb for like 3 years now.

    but like to act like there was nobody but them, LOL.

    there is nothing wrong with them making career progress and not every player that makes career progress will play NT, so what benefit or purpose does one get from shitting on players. They don't owe DFB or anybody anything. Players play for themselves first and rest comes after.

    reality Torsiello and Copado are players who likely will never get U21 call and even less likely for SNT.

    some don't get concept that the pool discussion is important, most players end game for NT=part of pool and that's it. They won't be real candidates but still important to have them.

    like concept of shitting on full German CFs.......who can never bail from Germany. Those guys important they make relevant career progress just to boost the pool of options.
     
  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    also fact
    Moukoko, Topp, Pejcinovic, Weiper, Brunner, Moerstedt have all already excelled when playing Germany YNT too. Have all shown can score solo goals, can be difference makers, can carry team alone (LOL Pejcinovic), aren't limited CFs, all good to very good overall skill set etc. And they even won us 2 tourneys too in Brunner+Moerstedt. Weiper should have bagged U17 Euro top scorer too, was easily the best CF during that tourney if he would have finished his very good chances. And if not for PK Shootout L, the 05s would have won U17 Euro in 2022.

    Tresoldi has shown to be effective overall when used in YNT but isn't always an XI.

    even if you ignore youth crap. All of them have impressed at pro levels whether 1BL-2BL, 1st team friendlies or 1st team training. So not like they can only do this vs kids.
     
  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    RL CFs Double Digits (List ignores ones who jumped perm to pros)
    -19 goals=02-Harres (impressed in DFB Cup vs 1BL-2BL too)
    -18 goals=04-Sanne (has 2 2BL caps from last season)
    -16 goals=02-Galjen (has 3 2BL caps from past seasons, would have brokethrough pros ages ago if not for past injury proness)
    -11 goals=03-Schmidt (2BL FD Summer Transfer)
    -10 goals=02-M.Muller (made his 1BL/pro debut this season), 03-Zahmel (on loan from 2BL Osnabruck who are 3rd Liga Relegation candidates), 04-J.Winter (Summer Transfer to H96 II with 1st prospects at 2BL H96 confirmed aka need to score a lot next season in II to get 1st chances)

    Closing in on Double Digits
    -9 goals=04-B.Winter, 04-Japaur
    -8 goals=03-Skolik
    -7 goals=02-Castelle (made his 2BL/pro debut this season), 02-Flotho (has 1 2BL XI this season), 04-Boakye

    so as of now only 03-Schmidt is headed towards relevant pros.
    Will be curious to see who ends up in relevant pros vs 3rd Liga vs more RL next season.
     
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