EURO 2024: Is there any hope????

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by Orange14, Jun 17, 2023.

  1. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Furthermore, the options behind these three are stacked too.... Veerman, Q. Timber, Wieffer, Stengs. This gives Koeman a lot of possibilities to mix-and-match. I feel like Q. Timber is/will be a very nice piece of the puzzle --- he's becoming my favorite these days, a ball-carrier with excellent passing and pressure mentality like a pit bull!

    No room for Gini Wijnaldum in my opinion - though I think Koeman will keep him for his experience/leadership. Same argument for De Roon.
     
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  2. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    I was wondering the same... couldn't find any article explaining as to why he didn't travel with the team to the UCL match v Atletico. Maybe he re-aggravated his old injury. FotMob app is showing he's out until mid-May which I am not sure it's accurate.
     
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  3. Van Bergkamp

    Van Bergkamp New Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 3, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I read that Malen is recovering from injury and also caught a bug and missed out on Atletico game.
     
  4. Van Bergkamp

    Van Bergkamp New Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 3, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    As the season is coming to the end, it is frustrated that Koeman has bet on the wrong player or unable to integrate the right player into his system.

    De Ligt is going to CL semi final and he is still struggling in Koeman's system. He gave too much time to Geertruida who I think a level behind De Ligt.
    Same goes for Frimpong who just won Bundesliga and going to Europa semi final. I likes Dumfries but he did not play much this season.
    Xavi Simons and Teun Koopmeiners are having amazing season but Koeman still does not know how to utilize them.
    And Maatsen is overlooked and not even considered when he was in Bundesliga team of the month and going to CL semi final.

    Feel like bad choices left and right. I hope he can turn around but time is running out.
     
  5. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #805 richsavare, Apr 18, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2024
    I agree completely with Q Timber however I have huge doubts about Veerman Wieffer and Stengs.
    Veerman is too slow, lacks athletically for this higher level, and is poor defensively.
    Wieffer has a tremendous work rate, but is sloppy on the ball, and is a bit of a hack.
    That said I have hope for him, but he’s scary at this point playing for Oranje.
    Stengs is just too weak and soft.
    There are much better options than him I believe
    He’s improved under Slot, but I don’t think he’s good enough for Oranje still.
    I also think your correct about Gini and De Roon who will likely make the final roster.
    All of these injuries, and Koeman’s unknown tactical ideas and formations are making things look very shaky as we get closer to the Euros.
     
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  6. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    I view Veerman as a natural back-up for Frenkie in the deep-lying playmaker role, albeit a poor man's version.... he's not going to start for Koeman when everyone is healthy. But when Frenkie is tired in the last 10-15 minutes of the match, Veerman can come in and do the job just fine. Agreed that he's quite slow, but he's a decent creator with good vision and passing range. Could come handy in the counter-attack situations when the opponent's defense runs out of gas. And set-pieces.

    BTW - I unintentionally left out Schouten in my post re: Oranje midfielder option yesterday. He is also a nice player to have around... Mature in his game, proven winner at club level, plenty of experience outside Eredivisie and versatile (can fill in CB in case of emergency).
     
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  7. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The reason why he is going around begging FIFA
     
  8. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    With the lack of wingers up front (we are down to Memphis, Gakpo, Malen), I really hope Koeman find a way to call up and use Maatsen and Frimpong better. Both can push high up like wingers. I prefer Maatsen and Frimpong than Berghuis and Bergwijn.
     
  9. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I think with zirkzee and brobbery that front line will be solid. It's the midfield that's needs alteration and plus maatsen at LB instead of that slack ass blind
     
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    Hope it's a scare like with Stengs and it turns out to be not that bad.
     
  11. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    It might be a broken ankle

     
  12. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It's time to move on from frenkie. Injuries are starting to take its toll on his body. He definitely wont be the same after recovering from two successive major injuries.ets not forget about the changes strootman went through. Time to call up matusiwa and Gus hamer.

    Gravenberch any thoughts???
     
  13. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    ESPN is reporting that Frenkie will miss the remainder of the season, but should be ready for Euro. Not ideal, but I will take that!! o_O

    Oranje is never the same without Frenkie. He is the maestro.
     
  14. Brilliant Oranje

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  15. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
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    Are you being serious?? Please tell me you're joking
     
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  16. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Oranje Euro 2004 injury watch.

    Memphis seems to be on track for early May return.
    Malen is now listed as having a thigh injury, the expected return is mid May.
    The tough news, of course, is Frenkie de Jong.... 5-6 weeks will put him to late May.

    Oranje first match in Euro is June 16th (v. Poland).
     
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  17. gabrielguilarte

    Feb 23, 2016
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    AFC Ajax
    Time to call who? A limb Frenkie is better than those two players you mentioned.
     
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  18. gabrielguilarte

    Feb 23, 2016
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Frenkie will be ready, he can play last 30 min against Poland and 65 min the game after.
     
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  19. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    J. Timber made his comeback appearance (for Arsenal u23) after a long layoff and scored a goal in the process… lack of competitive/first team experience will likely keep him out of Euro, nonetheless, good news! Maybe he will be on the standby list.
     
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  20. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    And WHAT a goal!!
     
  21. BPBlueSox

    BPBlueSox Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    I actually think there is some truth here. Frenkie is amazing - but the injuries are starting to come more frequently it seems. It’s not a good sign.
     
  22. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Definitely a concern when getting injured, but it’s part and parcel of today’s game with so many matches being played and the likelihood is that rest is hard to come by.
    Regarding Frenkie he brings a special quality that is clearly not appreciated or respected by some out there for whatever reason, but his ability to play under pressure and bring the ball out of the back is of the highest order in the world today.
    He doesn’t score much unfortunately, or get forward enough either, but that is because he brings a different skill set for Barca and Oranje that again is at the top level in the sport.
     
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  23. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    His last injury was a bit of a fluke. Strange collision that got his foot tangled up.
    I dont see how you can drop our best creative midfielder since Sneijder because of that.
    Frenkie will be fine. Plus he'll be nicely rested when the Euro starts
     
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