Goal contribution of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Trachta10, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Goals + Assists in the First 300 Official Games

    Ronaldo: 290
    Maradona: 284
    Mbappé: 284
    Neymar: 271
    Messi: 254
    Cristiano: 151

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  2. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Maradona, Neymar and Messi did the opposite way of Ronaldo. They were more focused at goalscoring early on their careers and became more playmaking focused later. Ronaldo has only half of 07/08 when he were more focused on goals on his first 300 games
     
  3. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    @Trachta10 Can you send back your goal contribution rankings (assists + goals) for all the players you have, including those of the "older" players you estimated (Puskas, Di Stefano, Eusebio, Pelé, and so on) ?
     
  4. Guts_1069

    Guts_1069 Member

    Cruzeiro
    Brazil
    Nov 6, 2023
    @Trachta10 You can do this but with Goal Contribution %?
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  5. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Goals and Assists before turning 25 years old

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    After 25
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  6. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Michel Platini vs Zinedine Zidane

    Stats in all games of World Cup and Euro
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  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Stats in all games of World Cup and Euro
    Marco Van Basten
    Ruud Gullit
    Dennis Bergkamp

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    Hagi
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  8. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Nice work mate (I guess using the new Sofascore Euros data). I might be being a bit slow but what is the Fouled% calculation based on?
     
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  9. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
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    CA Boca Juniors
    It's the ratio between fouls received and fouls committed.
    fouls received/(fouls received+fouls committed)*100
     
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  10. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    It doesnt seem quite useful stat. It is a sort of loosely indicative of playing style, but doesnt say much
     
  11. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Ultimately, the won duels already include fouls. Nevertheless, it can be said that it indicates how cleanly a player plays, obviously unfair to defenders.

    Something I've noticed is that players who receive the most fouls also tend to have a relatively high number of fouls committed, as if there's a psychological component that makes the player who receives many fouls also somewhat more aggressive or retaliatory. But it's just speculation on my part. For example, Neymar receives more fouls than Messi, but Messi has a slightly higher percentage.

    Stats in World Cup-Copa America-Euro (no data for CA2007)
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    Only WC, Maradona a lot of fouls received but also a high number of fouls commited
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  12. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Messi WC vs CA (no data for CA2007)
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    Neymar WC vs CA
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    Cristiano Ronaldo Evolution
    A-Euro 2004, WC 2006, Euro 2008
    B-WC 2010, Euro 2012, WC 2014
    C-Euro 2016, WC 2018, Euro 2021, WC 2022
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  13. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Paolo Maldini
    Sergio Ramos
    Alessandro Nesta

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  14. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Champions League 2004/05

    Ronaldo vs Adriano
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    Endrick Stats first 78 games vs Ronaldo in WC

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  15. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Maradona 1986 (quarterfinals, semifinals, and final of the WC)

    Messi 2011 (semifinals, and final of the Champions League)

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    Something interesting, although Messi has more than double the number of accurate passes than Maradona, Messi has 204 passes out of 2013 made by his team, which is 10.13% of the team. And Maradona has 90 out of 804 passes made by his team, which is 11.19%.
    The result is even.
     
  16. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    I like a percantage of team passes as a proxy of how deep and involved player is in his team. I am sure Messi had even higher percantage later on in Barca.
     
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  17. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Neymar comparison should be with Ronaldinho Gaucho, both more or less in the same level. I think Neymar has been better than Ronaldinho for Brazil tho.
     
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  18. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Stats per90 in Semifinals, and Final of the Champions League (3 games)

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