Ecuador NT (Post-World Cup)

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by LDU4ever, Nov 29, 2022.

  1. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I wonder what’s up with Brighton.
     
  2. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
  3. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Not sure, but Pervis is out for the remainder of the season, which will end in Mid-May.

    Because fitness and durability has been a major problem this year, I think it's prudent to sideline him for the Copa America. Clearly, his body needs the rest, and he's more useful getting back to 100% shape, completing a summer of training, and hitting the ground running next PL season/when the eliminiatorias come back.
     
  4. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Liverpool ain’t winning nothing this year. Can’t wait for next season to start even when this one is over lol
     
  5. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Kendry is special. They need to keep this kid in track.

     
  6. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    How many sponsors do these kits have? Serious question...
     
  7. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Daaaang

    IDV lost it.
     
  8. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Not enough.
     
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  9. \^the king^/

    \^the king^/ Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    wherevr da action @
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    I’ve seen NYC trains with less ads.

    So sad. It could’ve been Kendrys signature game. They have a serious concentration issue. Kendry doing his best impression to get 5 star skills in FIFA will do that.
    Palmieras went to Quito to defend and the 4 times they attacked they scored.
     
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  10. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    It's crazy to think about how common this is in Ecuadorian football.

    How many games has the Ecuadorian NT let slip in the 80+ mins of a match? It stings more when it's in stoppage time.

    Barcelona did it twice in this instance of the libertadores.

    IDV did it last night.

    You're right- it's concentration.
     
  11. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Enner is also still injured and he has no recovery date yet. I think Estrada will definitely get called to the Copa America squad we have no other options Carillo, Jordy, and Campana are getting less and less playing time. Erick Pluas, Denil Castillo, Pedro Vite are players I would like to see on the squad. I really wish Kike would of continue his hot streak it seems consistency is an issue for him. Yeimar Medina will also probably not get looked at any time soon.


    Cifu, Franco, and Gruezo dont make any impact on the nt but will probably continue on the squad. Franco is doing well at club level. Cifu is getting more minutes. Gruezo has continued to be consistent in MLS.
     
  12. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I don’t know why Vite hasn’t gotten more of an opportunity with the NT. He’s performed well for his club. He also hasn’t had any off the field drama. It’s a shame that players like him aren’t given more opportunities yet culi cagados como Paez and Plata do receive opportunities. It’s a shame.

    Denil Castillo is an interesting name. I haven’t seen him play since he went to Serbia but he’s received playing opportunities for his club so that’s good. He and Pluas need to get a look at the very least. Gruezo is horrible. Franco isn’t anything special. Cifuentes is inconsistent. We need new faces on the NT.
     
  13. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    We have 3 Friendlies before CA. Argentina, Honduras and another CONMEBOL team to confirm. I think we should go full fledge with new faces and clean house in this NT. Our performance and results have been lack luster at best we have too many players that make no impact on this team those 3 in mid plus Mena. Enner has recovered from his injury and has been training yesterday. Kevin Rodriguez has been getting less than 10 minutes in his last few games since his injury. Jhoanner Chavez hasnt been called for his last 3 games since recovering from his injury. I think for now I would want the CA XI to look like this.


    Dominguez
    Torres, Pacho, Porozo
    Preciado, Ortiz, Caicedo, Hincapie
    Paez
    Estarada, Enner
    Im glad we are getting 3 friendlies to prepare for CA. I hope we can recover Estrada or at the very least have him be a good partner to Enner and open him up or assist him. The other alternative I would like to see is Paez & Vite playing behind Enner as an attacking trio or also along side Moi as a midfield of three with two other fw up front. I really wish we had a coach that would properly change up our playing styles.


    My squad would be

    GK:
    Alexander Dominguez
    Hernan Galindez
    Moises Ramirez

    DF:
    Felix Torres
    Willian Pacho
    Piero Hincapie
    Jackson Porozo
    Joel Ordonez


    FB:
    Angelo Preciado
    Jose Hurtado
    Jhoanner Chavez

    MID:
    Joao Ortiz
    Moises Caicedo
    Erick Pluas
    Denil Caicedo

    CAM/ WINGERS:
    Kendry Paez
    Pedro Vite
    Jeremey Sarmiento
    Alan Minda
    John Yeboah


    FW:
    Enner Valencia
    Kevin Rodriguez
    Michael Estrada
     
  14. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Among the 3 current NT players (Gruezo, Franco, and Cifuentes), I'd drop Franco and keep Gruezo and Cifuentes. Physically, I think Franco gets outmuscled a lot and there have been instances of him either being too slow or simply unable to gel with the speed or demands of the game. Since the World Cup and specifically the game vs. Senegal, he seems to be one of the odd men out in the squad. I think he's called because of experience and not because of skill- certainly not his physicality. At least Cifuentes and Gruezo are built to withstand some hits and can, on occasion, show well to play a full 90 mins- something I haven't seen from Franco since pre-WC 2022. Franco is prone to card accumulation because he's too slow and too weak to effectively body players, so he just drags them down.

    Assuming Zambrano is able to clear the doping hurdles, I think he gets a look as a stand-in for Gruezo. That's a best case scenario. Cifu- we have other guys who can take care of his spot. Sadly, he just hasn't been the breakout star we all expected. Serviceable at best, but nothing extraordinary.

    I don't know much about Pluas, D. Caicedo, and Vite to make a reasoned judgement call on their potential, but I'll take your word for it.

    One clear conclusion that I think we're all agreeing on is the exclusion of Pervis. He needs time to rest. This whole season has been one big mess for him. Long term, that hurts us all if each recovery leads to an injury. That makes his condition chronic and his career will plummet pretty quickly thereafter.

    I agree re: Estrada- he's the big man we have and need. I don't see another individual whose hot-cold performance streaks can come with such a massive upside...if he's on, he's a beast for goals, but if he's in a funk, it's a disaster. He's big and can drag defenders to let Enner, Kendry, and Sarmiento do some carving work- same with Yeboah.
     
  15. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    #2390 javer, Apr 26, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2024
    We spent our last cycle renewing our DF I think this cycle we should try to renew our midfield given the options we have. Gruezo & Franco performances have declined on the NT & Cifuentes just never managed to replicate his youth NT performances at the senior NT. Pluas had a huge role in the U23 squad recently and U17 squad prior to that. Denil Castillo did well in the U20 and is doing well in Europe now his only down side would be his physicality he does need to bulk up. I hope we see them in the 3 friendlies prior to CA at the very least.


    It a shame we dont have any options upfront. Trying to renew right now with Obando would be tough thats a big role to fill. Down the line Allen Obando, Michael Bermudez, Justin Cuero, Dany Coronel, Jeremy Arevalo, and Erick Zambrano, Marcos Zambrano are our possible options for the next cycles (In that Order). We can humor our selves with options like Michael Hoyos, Byron Palacios, JJ Cifuentes, Jose Angulo, Carlos Garces, and Roberto Ordonez since I constantly see their names being thrown out on yt but if Campana, Jordy & Carrillo cant make it those are even worser options lmao.
     
  16. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    As for Obando, it’s going to be a long while until he is ready. No la vio against São Paulo last night.
     
  17. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I haven’t seen Pluas play with Orense this season. I watched him play with the U23 NT though. He and Vite were the players that most stood out. It’s disappointing that he hasn’t been called up the NT yet. When it comes to central midfielders the only standout player we’ve had has been Moises Caicedo.

    I watched the game Liga played against the Colombian team. Estrada is a serviceable striker. For better or worse he’s the best we have at the moment. At this point we know what we’re getting with him. He’s going to struggle finishing but there’s other aspects of his game that can allow him to contribute. The reality is we don’t have other options. Jordy Caicedo has been in poor form for Atlas this season. Campana hasn’t capitalized on the opportunities he’s received. He’s also injured a lot. Obando is still very green. I don’t think Rodriguez is a traditional striker.
     
  18. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    #2393 javer, Apr 26, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2024
    Our sub 18 squad lost to both Guatemala & Slovakia. Man I would kill to see Ever Hugo Almeida take over our U20 national team his age right now is the only thing that would make it difficult. It a shame we never saw him coach our national team when he was at El Nacional when they where bringing up their biggest talents to the national team. Antonio Valencia, Christian Benitez, Segundo Castillo. We really slept on him there.



    Marcelo Zuleta is coming back to El Nacional as well. Im happy to see him return i still remember his last cycle with El Nacho. Any success that he and Felix Borja has this season should not be over looked at given the difficulty it is to succeed with only national players on top of how low budget they are running with their squad. Almeida coaching staff has managed to squeeze good proformances from their players as much as possible. Felix Borja has gotten his moments in the side lines I have to say I think he has done well given the circumstances. He pulled that huge comeback vs Aucas a win vs Cuenca and although he lost vs Cumbaya I liked the way the played. I don't count his first three games because they didn't have a full squad due to admin issues. These are the guys I would like to see in our youth nt.
     

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  19. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The future is bleak. Maybe I’m overreacting.
     
  20. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Almeida is close to the end of his career. If I’m not mistaken he had hip replacement surgery a few months ago. At his age that doesn’t bode well.

    Joe Armas would be a good option for the U20 NT. He has some good ideas.
     
  21. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    It a shame he could of been the ideal coach for the players we had from 06 to 2010 and even now I think he could have done wonders with the youth players we have. Hopefully Felix Borja and the rest of Ever Hugo coaching staff and continue to have that impact he had. He instantly got players to preform. It impressive given many of these guys are just debuting in first division. Also hoping Marcelo Zuleta has another good cycle with El Nacho.


    As for Joe Armas I think he should stay at his team for now and continue to make a name for himself as a 1st division coach. He is just starting to take off his career and doesn't have a pro football player background. But he does have a nice profile for the youth nt.
     
  22. \^the king^/

    \^the king^/ Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    wherevr da action @
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Pacho is consistently a nightmare with his feet. Crazy, he always has blunders passing. 2 errors so far and the second one cost Frankfurt the first gol.
     
  23. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Holy shit….

    Was that Caicedo pass? That was amazing even if it was offside.
     
  24. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I think Dominguez should be our starter CA gk. Burrai is not doing so good, Ramirez still not as dependable and I got no clue how Galindez is doing in Argentina.
     
  25. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I still don't understand why Diaz is at Barcelona.

    Dude should been gone since 2017.
     

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