Tyler Adams at AFC Bournemouth

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by TheFalseNine, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Not really... when it actually comes to ways Bournemouth can "get Adams off the books" so to speak, Tyler and his camp have about as much power as the club in determining his future. I'm sure there are mechanisms built in to take care of extreme situations (ex: "what if Tyler got paralyzed"), but "can't play as good due to injury" isn't enough to let AFCB off the hook... that's just the risk you take when you sign a player to a long-term deal. If they no longer want to pay him, they have to help him find a new employer or negotiate with him to buy him out of his remaining contract. AFCB can't "ship" Tyler to MLS unless Tyler wants to go to MLS.

    If you need an example of the power players have in these situations, see Wood, Bobby from 2019-2021
     
  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    If they change the locks in your locker, just bring your own.

    Bobby pulled a Constanza & survived.
     
  3. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was played too much too soon with the international window.

    There was previous talk in here about it but with years of experience in the strength and conditioning field years ago, I can say back pain/inflammation/strains are almost always a byproduct of structural and compensatory issues in the hips/pelvis. Throws off the posterior chain. Back is usually just a symptom.

    This situation seems a direct result of throwing too much too soon at his previously injured region.
     
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  4. RecLeague Super Sub

    Fulham
    United States
    Jun 5, 2019
    This is a fair point, and thank you for the non-smart-ass, insightful response (a rarity in these parts) ; but my question to all is, if Tyler keeps getting injured, and then he does come back and stays healthy for a lengthy spell, but manager decides to permanently bench him, does Tyler strike you as the sort of player to just willingly sit and collect a paycheck, even to the detriment of his national team career? TA is no Bobby Wood, and in that sense teams have ways of showing the player the road out of town…
     
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  5. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Maybe I’m naive but I’m dubious that Bournemouth physios would clear him for play when he’s not really needed ahead of schedule. I’m guessing they also had some experience in making their determinations.
     
  6. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    They took an extra month after he passed his RTP tests. At a certain point it’s no longer anyone’s “fault”, just crummy luck in the genetic lottery.
     
  7. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    As someone who has never made $1m in a year much less $3m, I can’t begin to guess where Tyler would be willing to draw the line. But I agree that he’s a different caliber of player than Bobby
     
  8. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was cleared to play.

    But that is different than the volume of workload then put on the recovered systems which are of course interconnected.

    Need I point out this same staff approved him for return last season- and his body was not prepared for the workload.
     
  9. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    I don't know enough to argue the point about their competence, but some players are prone to injury and he's got an intense way of playing.
     
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  10. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    I was told he would only be out 1 game…
     
  11. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
  12. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He should just call it a season and focus on his core strength…. Although that probably comes at the cost of missing out on Copa America.
     
  13. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I am okay with that. He needs to get healthy and play club ball next season , hopefully without injury. Then he can start integrating back into the UMSNT for the world cup. The COPA would be a fine time to look at other midfield options in case Mr. Adams turns out to be made of glass, which at this time, is not unreasonable to suspect.
     
  14. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    playing in the premier league is like playing with a bull in a china shop. players like adams need to go to a league that values training and conditioning more. just look how pulisic turned out in italy. plus italy are getting 5 champions league teams next year with a long shot for a 6 th team
     
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  15. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't know that is a fair characterization of the PL. The players are bigger and faster and stronger top to bottom because they pay the most top to bottom. Pulisic would have been fine anywhere, from 17 to 20 he worked like a GAM (I think one year was 3500 plus minutes between usmnt and club) whilst still having a young lad's body, his body finally said wait let me catch up for a minute. That was resolved before his trip to Italy.

    I think we Yanks can be a bit arrogant concerning sports medicine, but with the asset values of players, I would think the notion may be antiquated. If his or Pulisics injuries were contact injuries then maybe........
     
  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    If he retired today, he'd grow legendary in our memories.
     
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  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Chelsea Puli got fouled hard once or twice, the ref pretended to look at his watch, and he stopped playing. Worked nearly every time.
     
  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The part I don’t game was the last game he played where everyone said in advance he was not cleared to play 90 and then he played 90 anyways.
     
  19. McKenniesWeah

    McKenniesWeah Member

    New England
    United States
    Feb 12, 2024
    Yup Cardoso has looked solid. Enough for Adams to take a USMNT leave of absence.
     
  20. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    That’s a pretty standard workload and the player was cleared to play. Adams probably would’ve preferred even more minutes during that stretch.
     
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  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Since soccer is not the #1 path to fame and fortune in the USA, one has to wonder how many guys who know they don't have the physical side to opt for football, basketball, or ice hockey (all sports that pay more in North America) choose soccer because of that.

    It may help explain why we have so many guys who are injured so often.

    Don't get me wrong, soccer players are perhaps the most fit of all sportsmen: stamina, speed, strength are needed. But soccer is not as much a contact sport as those others, blocking and pushing your rival is a foul. So basically the guys who are super-fit but more likely to break are the ones opting for it, here.
     
  22. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    LOL...American arrogance....SMH.

    Lots of contortions being done here. I am pretty sure every other country has tons of prospects that never quite workout due to physical issues. We may be more aware of ours due to their small numbers and the fanaticism of those of us who follow the sport. There really doesn't have to some other explanation than this or that players body couldn't hold up to the rigors of high level athletic competition. It may well be that Tyler recovers and puts it all behind him, and he will be neither the first or last to do that.

    I really don't think it has to be that the physios across the pond, or that our guys who play footie are genetically inferior to our other sport athletes.
     
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  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think so. I think we still produce so few top players that one or two get injured and it's a disaster. If you look at the rosters from any global youth tournament a few years back you'll see how few of this players actually make a career at the highest level.
     
  24. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Im pretty sure I said it would be prudent to leave Adams in England for the international window here or in another thread but I can’t be arsed to go back 6 pages

    Dude has been an injury disaster. Only call him up after a solid run of games and when his health is well established.
     
  25. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What puzzles me is Bournemouth asked for a minutes limit for Adams. He played only about 45 minutes in each game. He then goes back and they play him 90 and then he's injured. Sure seems that was a mistake and they should have been gradually increasing his minutes like practically every rehab we've ever witnessed.
     
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