I have a feeling that Rosetti will meet (with) Marciniak in Munich, personally... The same thing happened in 2014 when Collina assigned himself to assess a CL SF first leg and a very surprising name was predicted, but in the end the referee for the game was Howard Webb - the Italian wanted to be the one who observed Webb on his last ever Champions League game. (Edit: for clarity's sake, I'm not saying Marciniak won't referee again in the CL my point is more like 'sometimes there is more than meets the eye to these observer choices')
Well, the argument against Letexier is that he’s normally not in the running for a (Conference League) final after his Supercup, where the same Rosetti observed him . Rosetti there must have a purpose. Finals, promotions or special meeting indeed. If it happens to be Letexier in München, I won’t count him out for a final. He was praised everywhere. Supercup is just a semi-friendly ;-)
Yes, the more I’m thinking of it… I can find arguments for almost all experienced referees to meet Rosetti: - Marciniak: expectation management (?), if he’s planned for the opening game and a semi-final, but nothing more. - Makkelie: HR-management. He has been unlucky with external circumstances. Already had a mental breakdown after the WC. But honestly, he shouldn't get stuck there. He has reached only ~ 80% of his potential this season. He wasn’t on his best level during the WC either. Can do much better! That should be his main focus, not the political bullocks. I hope someone can hold up that mirror. - Vincic: it would be his first semi final and he might be Taylor’s alternative. But less likely to see him with Bayern (see below) There aren’t many referees available for the BVB-PSG / PSG-BVB tie. No French or Germans. Makkelie is not possible. I guess the Spanish are out. You don’t want to risk English officials there, do you. Kovacs just had PSG and is in the running for the UEL final. Marciniak is better to avoid him with PSG, after the penalty he whistled in PSG’ favor? The Real/Bayern tie is the better choice. Vincic just had Dortmund. Actually I prefer to not see him with PSG due to a mutual connection (Ceferin/el-Khalaifi). This can lead to conspiracy theories, but I doubt UEFA cares. The “main” available option in a PSG tie is Orsato, but who else? Vincic would be the default choice? If so: 50% chances to see Marciniak with Rosetti
https://www.uefa.com/news-media/new...--referee-teams-for-uefa-euro-2024-appointed/ The full list of referees who have been selected (in alphabetical order): Artur Soares Dias (Portugal) Jesús Gil Manzano (Spain) Marco Guida (Italy) Istvan Kovacs (Romania) Ivan Kruzliak (Slovakia) François Letexier (France) Danny Makkelie (Netherlands) Szymon Marciniak (Poland) Halil Umut Meler (Türkiye) Glenn Nyberg (Sweden) Michael Oliver (England) Daniele Orsato (Italy) Sandro Schärer (Switzerland) Daniel Siebert (Germany) Anthony Taylor (England) Clément Turpin (France) Slavko Vinčić (Slovenia) Felix Zwayer (Germany) In addition, as for UEFA EURO 2020 and as part of the co-operation between UEFA and the South American Football Confederation CONMEBOL, a referee from Argentina, Facundo Tello, together with his two assistants, will join the European group of referees at the final tournament in Germany.
Yeah, on merit, it's really hard to argue with the list. No Sanchez Martinez and no Frappart deny the two appointments that would have been the most overtly political and they are absolutely based on merit. And glad Meler was appointed; he and Scharer could be the surprise performers at the tournament, I think, as both were doing well and had (different types of) injuries this year. Given the discussion above, there are probably only two debatable results here: Siebert over Stieler answers a question and I guess it defaults to the referee with WC experience. Kruzliak over Eskas (or Peljto) has to be the final slot, right? I guess that's simply down to form. In related news, Gozubuyuk not going at all is probably the only surprise omission, right? Not that he was a lock or anything. And not having another country with two referees is helpful for assigning. So it makes sense. Finally, Guida over Massa is the one I probably know least about--I just haven't had the time/opportunity to watch those two yet. But that was obviously a tossup, too. I wonder what that means for Massa now. The same could be said of Jovanovic, who had a tough year and is nowhere to be seen.
I haven't watched Gozubuyuk in his international games, so I had to read Law5 to understand how he missed the boat. In particular Marseille-Villareal. If I understood correctly, he whistled a penalty, his AR confirmed, however the foul happened to be outside the box. VAR intervened, but he didn't make the VAR signal when he corrected himself (either a blackout, or trying to cover-up a Var intervention? ). Well, that’s a serious mistake! His signalling has always been poor and hesitating tbh. After that game, he missed a quarter-final appointment and (unfortunately for him) rightly so.
Just a reminder that we will have a separate EURO 2024 referee subforum. Working on standing that up, as well as a Copa one. So eventually discussion here will migrate there.
Some “leaks” in public sources: - Turpin for Bayern-Real (with Rosetti… EURO opening game?) - Letexier in Roma - Leverkusen (predictable ) - Meler in Fiorentina vs Brugge If this is correct, we can easily complete the puzzle: Orsato in Paris, Marciniak in Madrid and perhaps a lower ranked (Oliver/Taylor/Nyberg?) in the 1st tie in Dortmund. Vincic and Makkelie in UEL returns.
If this is accurate, my initial prediction very much becomes live again (and that oracle source on Law5 would have put his first foot wrong, it seems).
Yep, that was my thought as well. The only alternative is: - Turpin in BAY-RMA - One of Makkelie/Vincic in RMA-BAY (return) and the other one in Leverkusen-Roma - Marciniak and Orsato in the PSG-tie respectively - The English officials with Marseille This is not unrealistic imo, as the English are a bit more shielded that way. However, the standard appointment is Marciniak and Orsato in Champions League return games and Makkelie and Vincic in Europa League returns, I guess. If Turpin gets BAY-RMA (regardless of PSG in the final four), it confirms the strong political background that French referees have. In fact, there are four neutral referees available and Turpin's season wasn't necessarily 'wow'. In all honesty, Letexier was better. Marseille ánd PSG in the final four could (of course) have spoiled things considerably. I still think Oliver in BVB-PSG is a bit risky though, if Taylor/Attwell get the final.
Éric Borghini, French referee boss, has expressed his disappointment that Stéphanie Frappart hasnot been included in the Euro24 referee list, but worse no other woman either.
Breathe deeply Eric, you'll be just fine. This is what happens when you take out politics out of the game. We'll done UEFA.
The quote/story is amazing because he apparently "recognized a serious drop in form" in Frappart's last several matches (if you want to dig into the French Cup semifinal, that did not go well): https://www.footmercato.net/a593715...orghini-vole-au-secours-de-stephanie-frappart So France gets two referees at EURO and its chief wants to complain that a third referee, who is not performing well domestically and is not even France's third-best international referee, didn't go. I guess he feels compelled to come to her aid for political reasons (or if he was asked directly, I suppose he can't just flatly say "it's right that she didn't go"). But the commentary here completely gives away the fact that it's all about identity and representation and not about merit or ability. It's a "bad signal." That's the complaint. One day people are going to look back on all this quite strangely. The effort to get female referees to men's tournament football just to say they got to men's tournament football without actually developing them through the competitions that get male referees to men's tournament football (and, in turn, have females first succeed in those competitions) is so obviously unfair (to multiple stakeholders) and shortsighted that it's crazy more people don't call it out.
It might be useful to provide links when presenting news: https://www.reuters.com/sports/socc...-var-after-clubs-raise-objections-2024-04-26/
I've deleted the last seven posts, including my own. Shotgun rather than surgical because there was no way to keep some without revealing all. The overtly political discussions stop here.
Yeah, no point in discussing local politics here. Politics at UEFA or FIFA level can be discussed right? Someone asked me if Taylor in the CL final would be a "political" appointment. Is the simple answer: Yes? Or more the lack of alternatives? Actually, it would be his 3rd final in just over a year, after the FIFA Club World Cup and Europa League. Three UEFA/FIFA finales is similar to Marciniak which is… Quite something. They are not exactly at the same level. I can’t escape the impression that Taylor and his form were criticized almost the entire season. English VARs don't have a great reputation either.
Rosetti with Turpin... Why? There should be a reason right. In particular when the more crucial return game in Madrid has a not-so significant observer. EURO opener to Turpin?
Taylor on Dortmund-PSG. That upsets the apple cart just a little bit! This is where I had Oliver slotted in. So I get it. But now it means... back to Vincic or Makkelie for the final, depending upon who advances?
I think both Vincic and Makkelie will work in the semi’s, probably with Italian teams in Europa League. Who else? I’m not excluding Taylor already. There weren’t that many options available for Dortmund-PSG. Yes Oliver, but was he ever really trusted by Rosetti?