Lazy as ********ing hell. The idea that it was Malagon or Julio Gonzalez on the field, things would have changed against the US is what keeps Mexico there. The fact of the matter is that Ochoa is the only goalkeeper in Europe and people want him to step down for goalkeepers that aren't better than him and are in Liga MX. Liga MX IS the problem. But people don't want to recognize the US is a better team because they have better players. The only one that has a case is Santi about this and even then, it's one player.
Liga MX is definitely one of the biggest issues here. Getting rid of relegation, the 20/11 rule, increasing number of foreigners, no longer participating in CONMEBOL club tournaments, abolishing Copa MX, multi-club ownerships, playing bullshit MLS tournaments, etc. have completely set us back No doubt on a NT level, US has definitely improved and are now a step above Mexico. Just look how many young players they have in Europe. What I found absolutely mind boggling was during the post-game conference that even Jimmy said about the importance of sending players to Europe, yet this dumbass leaves Santi out of the lineup in favor over Martin. FMF is rotten to the core. I am sure there are certain guys imposed on by club owners and/or agents. Even Tuca had confirmed this during his time as interim coach and why he never wanted the gig full time. This also explains why coaches like Bielsa or Almada never got the job. They are the type of coaches that want full control but obviously FMF could never allow that. We should have seen legit changes after crashing out of the 2022 World Cup, if not even way before. But all we keep getting are empty promises. FMF needs to be completely demolished and rebuilt from the ground up. But nothing will happen as long as the business side is thriving, sponsorships keep growing, and owners make their millions
Anybody here mentioned LigaMuy X owners pocketing $um$ sending trash ( Funes & Piojo ) instead of Santi & Lainez
Tuca implied that it was Ochoa who was imposed and then went research came, he didn't call him up the first time and called him up but only played him once. When he's unquestionably the best GK at that time. Right now he's still in Serie A while the rest of the goalkeepers are in Mexico and being dumb about it like after the World Cup when Acevedo said that it was a dream of him but for "us" it might not happen, when the guy was 26 as a GK and already with the conformista bullshit. Tuca is one of the problems with his BS about not playing youngsters and his coining the phrase about moleros that now has Mexico playing less and less non FIFA friendlies, which would be needed now to start giving players starts. The main thing is exporting players which is not the FMF but clubs. And fans are a huge part of it. Nobody mentions how one of the key things of our trouble is how the bronze medal winning team in 2021, had only Johan Vasquez leaving for Europe. A great performance WASTED. But Cruz Azul fans were happy in getting Carlos Rodriguez and Antuna later on. Chivas fans were happy with Alvarado, Rayados fans were happy with Romo and Tigres fans were happy with Cordova. As soon as a player comes to Europe they are all on board and "fvck the NT" until stuff like this happens.
Mexico died in 2021 in Cincy we are watching the die off just buckle up as we become a honduras who hopes to pull off a big game vs the USA (as in maybe a draw) at home come the next qualifiers
The first and most important thing to do is to create a structure where the power of the federation is not derived from club owners... otherwise the federation is simply an arm of the owners who are looking to line their own pockets at the expense of the National Team.
It doesn't matter if Santi started they would have still lost. It's time to put a sock in it for the next 10 years. There's no one coming through the pipeline and guys like Chucky, Flores, and Lainez flopping in Europe has dropped the stock of Mexican players abroad.
Mexico will always produce talent but with the exception of a few clubs, the overall league structure and business culture is not conducive to actively developing talent...
it is so dry and it’s scary. Look I get that el Tri has had dark spots in its past before, but that doesn’t make this one any less worse. Back in the early 2000s you could point to a star player on each teams roster and they would be Mexican. Now, you would be lucky if you can find a national in a starting spot on a club team.
That's not the problem. The problem is those type of stars and their level. You had a guy like Chiquito Sanchez, who constantly is touted as he has go to Europe and the best player in Liga MX, and he looks like this. As early as Cesar Montes, you had players that were too good for Liga MX show in Iinternational football that they are too good and now not even that.
I think it’s time we acknowledge that we’re in a down cycle. We need someone who does more with less. Almada does that (and he does it with Mexican talent to boot). We already made a mistake in picking a coach whose only feat is a decent Olympic run. That’s it. We need to rectify this mistake and bring on Almada. Better late than never.
I also think we give them too much credit. If you look at their players, a large chunk of their team relies on players neither raised nor developed domestically. Some were not even born on US soil. IMO, this creates a false sense of belief amongst fans whereby people think they’re better than they really are. The moment their recruitment fails to nourish the pipeline, the success stops. The following players (all of which played minutes yesterday) were not raised nor developed in the US. Musah, Johnny, Robinson, Dest, Balogun and Tillman. If we’re going to reform, I’d rather Mexico not base its system on one whose success depends almost exclusively on recruitment.
The "fvck the NT don't export anyone and I support bringing them back from europe all I care about is winning LigaMX trophies!" people are annoying and mediocre as fvck and are part of the problem which is why i ain't mad when their bum teams takes Ls in these garbage tournaments against MLS (something that would've been unthinkable for me in the early-mid 2010s when I ALWAYS supported Mexican teams in international club competitions) even though they don't lose very often because most of those MLS teams still suck ass for the most part ESPECIALLY when they go down to Mexico. I still blame Chaka Rodriguez for that bullshit... and to a lesser extent Guardado for making that no name keeper the hero by having his pk saved but IIRC Chaka gave up the most idiotic corner leading to the equalizer when we had like less than 10 mins left to play that win completely rejuvenated the nads, gave them crazy amounts of concidence after not having beaten us since 2013, and they've been coasting ever since.
That's true to to an extent, but it ws inevitable we would reach this point. The reason we still competed was because it was the last hoorah of the Guardado HH generation against a green nad team. Now they are in their prime and face the likes of Antuna and Martin
That was the Nations League final and it was played in Denver. The Cincy match was in the World Cup qualifiers.
ohh, my bad yeah we got killed in that one too... But we could've probably won that final in Denver at least with a bit more focus and slightly less braindead plays, because we still had a decent amount of quality at the time that was able to go toe to toe with them, just a missed opportunity smh.
That Moreno goal that got called back would’ve been the nail in the nads coffin shortly after, Reyna scored. Up to that point Mex was extremely comfortable
Oh man I forgot about that goal, really thought that was a wrap too, yet another Mexico win vs the nads, too ez, they're prepping the trophy for us. Welp....
When I was growing up in the United States, academies weren't a thing, and the path to playing professionally didn't really exist minus a few anomalies. That is not the case today--over the past 30 years the shift in development has drastically improved in the United States and we are now seeing the benefits of this development. In addition, it is not out of the realm of possibilities to have a dual-national player represent the United States as a first choice because of our improvement, which wasn't necessarily the case in the past. I mention all of this to say that Mexico has always had quality players, and will continue to have quality players. Cycles ebb and flow and Mexico is in a transitional phase. I find it important to mention that the improvement in the United States doesn't mean that Mexico is regressing or needs to drastically overhaul how the youth is being developed. From my perspective, the quality increase in the United States has created a huge inferiority complex in Mexico, when in reality Mexico is going to be fine.
It's a bit of both really. The US has been fortunate to capitalize on recruitment and the player pool that isn't as tenuously tied to the country (whether completely homegrown or guys like McKennie) has improved. There are a very limited number of players floating around up to standard who are eligible for recruitment, so there will be a lot of volatility cycle to cycle in that respect. At times there simply won't be as many Dests, Baloguns, Musahs, etc available. That said, the caliber of player and the conversion rate of those who are eligible willing to accept the callup will almost certainly remain the same if not improve. It comes down to credibility. Compared to 10-15 years ago, the domestic league is better. The commercial prospects of that league are better. The domestic pool is deeper and generally more competitive. There are better domestic to Europe players around those potential recruits. And the number of players who have gone that route before has increased. It's less speculative than it was. And the quality of those accepting the call has increased over time. Guys like Dooley, Stewart and Regis in the 90s who received no interest at all from their other options. Then a guy like Fabian Johnson who was still fairly young who at least got youth callups from Germany and a mid 20s Jones who at best was looking at maybe sneaking his way onto a German Euro or WC roster as one of the last two selections situationally. And now a younger guy like Musah and Balogun who had more time on their side than Jones and was in a little better position to do the same for England for at least one of the next 2-3 cycles. The recruitment ceiling today is probably players like a Balogun or Musah from UEFA sides 1 to 8 or so and players who seem to be capable for being core starters for UEFA sides 9-25 or so...if a player is at least open to entertaining the idea. Mexico can't duplicate that sort of strategy to the same level. It's a function of military presence and immigration or in the case of Gulf States, having a central government with cash willing to naturalize guys and pour money into their FAs accepting negative ROIs. Mexico is down primarily due to talent ebbs and flows but investing in player development at the club level is needed for sure. Some people here act as if Mexico is slipping down to Honduras levels. Not that transfermarkt is a perfect representation of the talent pool of various American sides, but it's fairly accurate: Brazil (EUR927mm), Argentina (728mm), Uruguay (408mm), USA (312mm), Ecuador (244mm), Colombia (224mm), Mexico (210mm), Canada (187mm), Paraguay {123mm), Chile (75mm). No one else over 40mm. Down a bit but hardly in shambles. Mexico will be fine.
Mexicos just had the most embarrassing participation in a World Cup in decades, and it’s as if no alarms went off. They used the gold cup and some insane bandaid, it was just a façade Mexico has lost players abroad like Arteaga, Lainez, Flores, and is on its way to lose more players. clubs are severely overvaluing their players. Erik Sanchez of Pachuca was priced at 12 mill. On a good day, he’s maybe 5. Two out of three of the main forwards are 32 or older. One still hasn’t been the same since his serious head injury. we’ve seen a drastic downfall in the attitude of the average player. The Edson types are now considered rare. if mexico were to pick things up, it won’t be anytime prior to the next World Cup. in fact I think we will be back to these conversations right around the first KO game of the Copa America. I’ll happily eat crow if I’m wrong So far that hasn’t happened
Sobering reality. Just to add I faith in Lozano but it quickly faded seeing him incapable or unwilling to let go of some players who should obviously not be there