The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Wrexham's boost is somewhat artificially driven by their ownership. I'd say it's still a good new story, but it will be interesting to see what happens when the club maxes out, and the kind of financial support that gives them a big edge stops being big enough. Certainly if/when they get to championship level, a few million extra a year isn't going to turn a team getting 15000 a game into obvious promotion prospects.

    Bandwagon jumping fanbases do have a nasty habit of hopping off once a team stops winning, and things could unravel very fast.

    Some of the crowds of the 'league teams' that have dropped to non-league are surprising good, especially for clubs like Oldham and Southend, who aren't even necessarily doing well.
     
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  2. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    This is true, but it's not just Wrexham that are seeing a huge increase in attendances. I doubt the other example I cited - Stockport County - have much ambition for getting to Championship level. And of course they have huge local competition for fans. Look at Notts County - last successful season in League Two when they finished in a promotion playoff position they averaged 7,357. This season, with them currently in 14th and realistically out of the promotion playoff picture, they're averaging 10,974.

    And if Oldham get promoted back to the Football League, I think we can reasonably expect a similar pattern.
     
  3. BOSNAINTER

    BOSNAINTER Member

    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Are you that stupid no competition for them in form of transfer fee
     
  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLB pays transfer fees (or the equivalent) to the Japanese league for players
     
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  5. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Why would they pay a transfer fee? And who would they pay the transfer to if they don't have any contracts?

    Maybe Europe should adopt a draft that US has. Many players that fall through the cracks trying to be pro and don't make it while also leaving behind an opportunity for an education. Making sure they get an education and having a second shot at playing pro should be something all of Europe should be copying from the US. This is better and more beneficial to society than ProRel ever will.
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I read an article about academies in France, Germany and Spain where academy players get University level education. Probably Holland too.

    As opposed to England where they're barely able to flip burgers.
     
  7. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yes, let's because like I've pointed out many times it's bollox, let's find some REAL evidence shall we? I'm telling you as a fact Manchester United sell out EVERY home league game and there are nothing like 15000 empty seats, if you can find me evidence of 20% of empty seats for a league game (not affected by Covid restrictions etc) then good luck finding it. I shall await proper photographic evidence.
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody cares what you blurt out into this thread. Your posts are all short and stupid and not really on topic. This is a discussion board. Why are you here?
     
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  9. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Players do slip through the cracks, but they'll just get a regular job and play part time.

    They are normally then spotted pretty quickly, generally getting signed for a small fee by a league club, and then move on again if they progress.

    There are an incredibly small number of such players though.

    As for players that get released from academies - they are free agents, and anyone can sign them. Sadly, few would qualify for university academically, and there's no such thing as a sports scholarship here.
     
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  10. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Please stop repeating this every single time.

    It's absolutely irrelevant, and makes you sound like a conspiracy theory nutter, latching on to one detail he doesn't understand, thinking it helps his argument.
     
  11. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Odd way to say "well shit, you put more evidence in the thread and my asinine take looks even worse now" ... but ok

    LOL yeah, let me get right on showing you ... OH WAIT I HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES AS WELL AS GIVING LINKS TO MANCHESTER POLICE NUMBERS

    Sell out =/= every seat has an ass in it.

    Hell, one of the pictures even shows ManU announcing an att of only 50K FFS

    Suggest all you want ... I've provided photographic evidence of every type of match I've stated to have empty seats at them (League, Cup, Europe comp). I've done it more than once for each type of match too.

    Your insistence that "sell out" mean every seat has an ass in it is as idiotic as your insistence that there is one league in England.

    JFC ... yes, imagine that. He wants to ignore the actual data from the Manchester Police about turnstile count. It isn't REAL evidence? What the actual phuck dude ... you're off the rails at this point. Holy shit.

    NHL and NBA have as well ...
     
  12. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I have said that Manchester United sell out EVERY home league game and they do, to counter this you have put up half a*sed pictures of games that aren't even league games, games that were played while there were Covid restrictions and pictures from the very start or very end of games when we all know the 10% that arrive late, or leave early for their trains.

    You have NOT shown ANY picture proof of ANY Manchester United league game showing 20% of empty seats during ANY game...........because you won't find any........because Manchester United sell out EVERY league game.

    Here is EVERY goal United scored last season - take a look at when the goals were scored and find me these 'empty seats' you 'think' exist:-



    I'll await for you to show me.
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @bigredfutbol I think you should lock this thread.
    We're now arguing about anti pro-rel corruption in Manchester (UK not NH).
     
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  14. I have no clue what you're referring to.
     
  15. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Some British players play NCAA soccer.
     
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  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Scotland and Rangers stalwart David Weir did, albeit over 30 years ago.
     
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  17. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I have no idea what pro/rel in England has to do with pro/rel in the US.
     
  18. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Maybe you should find out. The world does not (two words) revolve around The Netherlands. The NFL draft is very popular here. Google exists.
     
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/06/football-biggest-issue-boys-rejected-academies

    "of the boys who make it into the elite scholarship programme at 16, past PFA research has found that five out of six are not playing professional football at 21."

    Doesn't seem like there's much of a safety net.
     
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  20. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any word on if USL is still discussing implementing promotion/relegation?
     
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  21. I know what a draft is, but I don't get what he's hinting at with the suggestion European football should do that.
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the word is that only North Carolina was interested.
     
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  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So The Miami FC wasn't???
     
  24. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I'm hinting that Europe should do things like the US.
     
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  25. BOSNAINTER

    BOSNAINTER Member

    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Why. What is it that you do that interest world. Your sport does not interest world reason it is popular here is because you talk about it 24/7 and talk is not about play but drama around the sport. I mean nobody around the world care about nfl nba or mlb but imagine having to talk about racism which is not there, why do these ones are not hired as coaches why is league made up of these many athletes of this race but they are not owners with make people go insane.
     

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