What states produce the most great players?

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Tom81, Nov 13, 2015.

  1. Tom81

    Tom81 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    Background: I was perusing TDS top 25 girl rankings and noticed a heavy Calif and western
    domination of the rankings.
    I went back and looked at the top 25 for 2016 to 2019.

    There were a few that didn't list the state.
    California had 25 girls cumulatively.
    Colorado had 8
    Georgia had 6.
    Illinois had 4
    Ohio had 4
    NY had 4
    Texas had 4
    Maryland had 3
    NC had 3
    Washington had 3

    My question is: Is this the bias of the producers of the lists?
    Or is California girls' soccer just head and shoulders above the rest of the country?

    Please feel free to educate me as to why that is, assuming it is?
     
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  2. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    California by far.
    You could put together California vs. the other 49 states, and in certain years California would win.

    Look at the forwards on the USWNT.
    Alex Morgan, Christen Press, Sydney Leroux, Amy Rodriguez, etc.
     
  3. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Somewhere here on BS, over the past year, I reported on the numbers of Division I players per youth capita, by state; and the number of Division I players on some group of top teams (something like the top 120 teams). If you can find that, you'll get a sense of what the different states' youth programs achieve. As I recall, Utah does the best. You'll be surprised by some of the results.
     
  4. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Although it doesn't address "great" players, here is the list of states (and DC) with the numbers of women they had playing for the top 125 DI schools last year, in order of what the number means per capita youth. What you're seeding is State, absolute number of players, and per capita youth rank:

    Utah 97 1
    Virginia 156 2
    New Jersey 165 3
    Oregon 60 4
    Colorado 77 5
    California 559 6
    Washington 93 7
    Maryland 78 8
    Oklahoma 53 9
    Michigan 116 10
    Ohio 133 11
    Illinois 146 12
    Connecticut 37 13
    Delaware 9 14
    North Carolina 86 15
    Missouri 53 16
    Texas 251 17
    Wisconsin 49 18
    Nebraska 16 19
    Massachusetts 49 20
    Hawaii 10 21
    Georgia 83 22
    Pennsylvania 87 23
    Indiana 48 24
    Minnesota 37 25
    Florida 115 26
    Kansas 20 27
    New Mexico 14 28
    Rhode Island 6 29
    New York 112 30
    Arizona 40 31
    New Hampshire 7 32
    South Carolina 24 33
    Tennessee 33 34
    Nevada 14 35
    Idaho 8 36
    Kentucky 18 37
    Iowa 12 38
    Alaska 3 39
    Vermont 2 40
    Alabama 17 41
    Maine 3 42
    DC 1 43
    Mississippi 7 44
    Louisiana 9 45
    West Virginia 3 46
    Wyoming 1 47
    Arkansas 4 48
    South Dakota 1 49
    North Dakota 0 50
    Montana 0 51
     
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  5. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Can't believe West Virginia is so low!
     
  6. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One thing to consider: This is just a snapshot of one year's NCAA rosters. This was a pretty time-consuming process, so it would be pretty demanding to try to cover a significant number of years.
     
  7. Tom81

    Tom81 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    Southeastern states that are so strong in the other football, appear to be generally
    weak in soccer numbers.

    Wonder why?
     
  8. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe someone can map it: I'm wondering of women's soccer states tend to be blue or at least purple.
     
  9. D1bound

    D1bound Member

    Feb 7, 2015
    TopDrawerSoccer is based in SoCal!
     
  10. Tom81

    Tom81 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    That is what I was wondering.
    I don't know that that necessarily means bias, but was hoping
    experts here could provide some insight.
    The Southeastern states are certainly at the bottom. There may be a
    reasonable explanation for that.
    The West and North are at the top. Again, maybe there is a reasonable
    explanation.
    Maybe there is a more rabid culture for girls' sports like there is for the
    other football down South.
    ???
     
  11. Got Jukes?

    Got Jukes? Member

    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Sydney Leroux is a product of Canada and Arizona, where she played all her youth soccer and was developed, before going to UCLA to play college.
     
  12. onfirst

    onfirst Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    This is particularly surprising given that 1/3 of all division 1 women's soccer teams are located in the southeast. I guess they're not stocking their rosters with local players.
     
  13. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    From her UCLA bio:

     
  14. Glove Stinks

    Glove Stinks Member+

    Jan 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Could have something to do with Weather and Economics.
     
  15. Kazoo

    Kazoo Member

    Nov 1, 2015
    I think deep south states have been slow to embrace soccer. There is a lot of youth talent in the mid-atlantic (Virginia, Maryland) and Florida, Georgia--but elsewhere it is thin. I expect that to change, however, as there are quite a lot of very young kids who attend SEC soccer games now (though adult attendance is still meh). A lot of young girls in the deep south have done cheerleading instead of sports, traditionally--talk about a waste of time and effort. Soccer has long been more of a private school sport in the south and mid-atlantic (and maybe the northeast/midwest, ,too)--and you notice that a lot of the top recruits in the east come from private schools. Public school women's soccer has definitely lagged--but I think it is definitely now in a growth mode in southern/mid-atlantic suburbs.
     
  16. mamalia

    mamalia Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Cincinnati OH US
    I am curious why you say that. Do you have a particular reason? I am interested in your thinking on this.

    I am not surprised. That area is not big on soccer. WVU (Canada South - they can change their name from Mountaineers to Mounties, any time) has exactly one player from WV on their roster this year. That is at a state school. If you are at all familiar with the terrain of WV... there are not too many flat places in the state (well, maybe once they are done strip mining, under mining and fracking the whole place it will be different)... it is just not going to have a lot of field and soccer complex capacity.
     

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