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Discussion in 'LA Galaxy' started by UcIceD2011, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In his 1st season (2021), Vanney took a team that finished 15th and had them in a playoff spot the entire season until the final matchday.
    In his 2nd season (2022), the Galaxy made the playoffs, with a home game, won it, and lost in the conference semis to LAFC (eventual champs)
    In his 3rd season (2023), the season started with a fan boycott. The boycott happened as fans reacted to sanctions imposed on the Galaxy for actions taken before Vanney was even hired, but they hamstrung Vanney in the summer window regardless.

    2023 was insanely frustrating because we WERE on an upward trajectory. Most of us expected to build on the 2022 performance and minimally make a conference final or Cup Final. It's not to say Vanney is blameless. I'm saying it would've been challenging for any coach (which we don't have to speculate about that, really -- many coaches struggled during that time, including Bruce).
     
  2. JPAR

    JPAR Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Vanney has been here 3 years and has one playoff win. That's with one of the highest payrolls in the league. Last year he stood up at a press conference and blamed the fans, talking about an 'us vs them' mentality. He and Klein made it clear that the roster was Vanney's, the only real holdover being Chicharito. He can't seem to get the defense right after 4 years, and I would argue he is frequently out-couched.
    I think he is an average manager, who gets on well with the players, and with excellent talent, can be a winner. But I don't think he wins us games through his tactics. Like any other position on the field, if we can upgrade the coach, we should do it. He hasn't done anything in his tenure so far to warrant keeping him for next year.
     
  3. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nancy was with Montreal in some capacity since 2011. Greg Vanney has been an LA Galaxy coach since 2021.

    I would also argue the Crew were not as down bad as the Galaxy were. Since 2014 (our last championship)
    Crew when Nancy took over: 2x Cup finalist (1 win), missed playoffs 4 times
    Galaxy when Vanney took over: Missed playoffs 3 times, never made it to conf final

    Yes, literally. It's common knowledge that this happened to every coach the Galaxy have had since 2014: Arena was forced to sign dos Santos and Gerrard, Sigi was forced to sign Zlatan (that worked out, obviously -- but remember Sigi had just signed Ola Kamara coming off an excellent season from (who else?) the Crew), GBS was forced to sign Chicharito, Vanney was forced to sign Costa.

    It's also common knowledge that the Galaxy were doing most of their scouting in France even prior to Greg Vanney being hired; it was a well Kirovski frequently went back to. Before Vanney there was Alessandrini, Michael Ciani, Clement Diop and Didie Traore.

    If we get a better coach than Vanney, that would be great obviously. It's not any specific loyalty to just point out facts about his tenure (I know you're joking a bit)
     
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  4. El Futbolisimo

    El Futbolisimo Member+

    Sep 28, 1999
    #10929 El Futbolisimo, May 7, 2024
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    Yes, Wilfried was in some capacity with Montreal since that team entered MLS in 2011. I guess that's what we should have done with Vanney. Had him work with the youth programs for 7 years and then do assistant coach work for another 3 years for the 1st team and then made him head coach. To follow your logic.

    You and I both know handling U15, U-20, U-21 in no way shape or form allows to go hang with the first team and see what's going on internally as far as chemistry, tactics and locker room environment is concerned. I guess Nancy absorved knowledge through osmosis.

    Montreal under Saputo is a team with a lean budget. Columbus has a bigger wallet but under no stretch of the imagination do they have the sacks of money Galaxy throws around year after year. so succeeding there is a bit more of a challenge and yet he guy does succeed spectacularly for what he is which is still a rookie coach.

    But now we need to somehow break out the violins and harp over poor old downtrodden Vanney and the lousy teams he's been handed year after year (if indeed he was absolutely not allowed to choose any player as you suggest) by the former FO. Is that right? galaxy has never had horrible teams man for man under Vanney. They've just performed horribly.

    At what doorstep then do you leave his personal tactical acumen in matchday performances and his rigid one-dimensional style of coaching and substitution pattern that has had Galaxy lose matches they were winning or failed to adjust tactics to try and recover from one or two goal down games or from one game to another against opponents with different tactics?

    One playoff win in 3 years with Galaxy?

    Where is the accountability?
     
  5. Geneva

    Geneva LA for Life

    Feb 5, 2003
    Southern Cal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You really have to write off last year - with the boycott and the injuries. I understand the anger over Vanney's defense of Klein, it was super-defensive. His interview style and corporate/platitude-speak is annoying. But I don't think the final Vanney chapter has been written yet. Let's finish the year and see what it brings. Lots of challenges to integrate a lot of new players. The team is off to a good start, although we do see the myriad of flaws waiting to come up and bite us.
     
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  6. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup. Vanney can't be blamed for all that happened in 2023, even if some of it falls at his feet. And we don't know what happens behind the scenes that also impacts whether a coach is kept on-board or not. But at the end of the day, a coach is judged on results. This is the final year of his contract and I think how we end up going this year will dictate what happens next. Barring injuries, etc., I think anything less than a deep playoff run will be considered a disappointment that might end his time with the Galaxy.
     
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  7. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that's true. I think a conference final is the minimum expectation, depending on how we do there.
     
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  8. El Futbolisimo

    El Futbolisimo Member+

    Sep 28, 1999
    Yeah, I mentioned last year as a wash to MP9 in fact. Hopefully the Summer window brings more help. Vanney needs more help.
     
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  9. El Futbolisimo

    El Futbolisimo Member+

    Sep 28, 1999
    Fun fact: the Goats have hired scouting director Neil McGuinness from Columbus Crew as technical director or #2 under CSO and co-pres John Thorrington.

    This guy is who helped bring in Cucho, Zelarayan, Rossi, Nagbe and others to the Crew.

    The previous #2 was our very own saviour Will Kuntz.
     
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  10. Dawdler

    Dawdler Member+

    Apr 2, 2005
    Los Angeles,CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    Really surprised to see Philly’s recent fall. Two points from five games is surprising. They were undefeated at the start of this run.
     
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  12. Dawdler

    Dawdler Member+

    Apr 2, 2005
    Los Angeles,CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    oof, the quakes were in control leading 2-0, a red card later and its 2-2 and they're just hanging on to the tie.
     
  13. Dawdler

    Dawdler Member+

    Apr 2, 2005
    Los Angeles,CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    and the quakes collapse and give up their second PK and now are down 3-2
     
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  14. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    Wait, RSL’s stadium is called The America First Stadium?
     
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  15. Dawdler

    Dawdler Member+

    Apr 2, 2005
    Los Angeles,CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    from my understanding its naming rights were bought by a credit union, and I'll leave it at that.
     
  16. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They also sponsor the NWSL Team the Utah Royals. Some of their fans are boycotting the jersey because of it, in fact.
     
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  17. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    Interesting. And looks like they’ve been around since 1939. I don’t envy whomever is responsible for their branding.
     
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  18. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    Say what you will about Beckham’s commitment to LA when he stayed in Milan longer than he said he would. He never took time off with his buddies

    1793794050421674200 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  19. 73Bruin

    73Bruin Member+

    Galaxy
    United States
    Jul 12, 2008
    Torrance, California
    While true, I seem to remember that he did take games off on turf fields which Vancouver had and has. Did he ever play there except for his last game there in 2012? Note: He did play against them when they played in Edmonton on a grass field.
     
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  20. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    It’s been a while, but I know he played on turf fields in Seattle, Portland, RSL (before their new stadium), so it may have been coincidental rather than specifically to avoid turf. Or maybe Vancouver’s was particularly bad, though RSLs was pretty awful back then.
     
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  21. El Futbolisimo

    El Futbolisimo Member+

    Sep 28, 1999
    I think they take care of Messi because he does injure as seen after he came here and he means more to Miami than Beckham meant to Galaxy back in the day. Especially in the beginning when it took a while for Becks to find his rhythm and groove with Galaxy

    Becks was 32 when he came here. Messi is about to be 37 in a June. You gotta take care of your elderly superstar players. All that money and hope invested in the guy by Miami and the league itself. You can't just run him into the turf.
     
  22. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel sorry for the Vancouver fans, but then, this was the longest away game in the league (is it the longest in any league?) and playing on turf. If there was any game to rest your aging stars, it's THIS game so buying those tickets was always a risk.
     
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  23. Dawdler

    Dawdler Member+

    Apr 2, 2005
    Los Angeles,CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yes it sucks for them, and I know its wishful thinking, but I would hope this would push this league to mandate all grass fields, so this doesn't become a common occurrence with needle moving stars because all this really does in punish the fans especially because more often than not they get duped into paying for a certain experience and end up with something else and "event subject to change" really bails out event organizers.
     
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  24. skydog

    skydog Member+

    Aug 1, 1999
    Durham, NC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    And maybe this will allow those fans to see a win at least.
     
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  25. skydog

    skydog Member+

    Aug 1, 1999
    Durham, NC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Becks was injured when he arrived. He should have never played that first game.
     

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