You are the only person who responded but, having given it some time, I thought I should mention that the 14W-17L-3T numbers I threw out were my projection of SN’s first MLS Cup culminating season to a 34 game schedule. That season, IMHO, sucked but it sure had a nice (but very brief like 3 games?) single elimination tournament at the end. But, IIRC, the Revs entered September with each week being “must-win” and they lost like 3 weeks in a row. Only the low bar to entry on the playoffs and other results kept them in the hunt. Finally they squeaked in and go down in history as “Eastern Conference Champions” and “MLS Cup Runner Up” even though they had a horrible, sub 1.4 PPG I think, regular season. SN went on to have some really good teams and he coached them well. All post-contraction draft. But I’ll never say that was a good team and I wasn’t too convinced of his coaching either. Maybe it’s an argument for more patience given SN turned out pretty good but I do know… That 5 games doesn’t convince me. Also, as a side note, I think the thread was dying its own natural death until you went fishing…
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So, if a 4-game winning streak gets Porter off the hot seat, does a 2-game losing streak (getting outscored 5-1), put him back on it? Asking for a friend... Berhalter is available... <ducks>
For anyone paying attention, no. I fully understand the injury list an what he has to work with in this moment. On top of all that, with Gil and Borrero we can compete. Without them, there probably aren't too many teams we can beat. Porter in inherited this uneven roster.
It might be interesting to define how these boards would evaluate Porter at the end of the season. What will it be? 1) How well the last 4 games were played? 2) They simply made the playoffs - success by definition for many 2) An assessment just based on the MLS season 3) An assessment based on MLS + Concacaf + Leagues Cup? Whether the injury situation improves or not, how are we going to evaluate him? I agree with what I read in another thread that amounted to: yeah it’s tough and there are a lot of injuries but boy they sure look like the don’t know what they are doing as a team. Too many missed, easy passes. A shambles on defense too often. 21 games into the season, why is that? Also, a shared responsibility but didn’t he once talk about 4-5 additions during the summer window? Tick tock IMHO.
I evaluate all managers the same way, regardless of results: can we tell what his preferred style of play is, and is it positively impacting the quality on the field. 1) what is the hallmark of Porter ball? I can't see any coherent themes across the revs 21 games with the exception of a commitment to having players without ball playing skills in key ball playing positions. 2) is it helping the team? Considering every time he opens his mouth he contradicts himself I'm going to go with no #PorterOut
As much as I agree with needing more (and better) players ... the window isn't open yet (opens Thursday).
Noted. But sooooo little chatter For instance, this can happen: https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/cf-montreal-acquire-polish-defender-dawid-bugaj Before Thursday somehow.
Yeah, the window just means he can't play tonight. Nothing besides incompetence (or measuring 9 times) to prevent the Revs from signing someone now.
Prost did a supporter survey ... blame is definitely more on the top end than it is Porter according to those who responded.
They brought in reinforcements. They've had time to learn Porter's system. They finished the season 2W-10L-3T (-21 GD). How does Porter still have a job????
Yeah, I can see how Porter may be somewhat less to blame than Onalfo and the Krafts, but really, there is a LOT he needs to answer for. What gives him a little slack is that he came in too late in the process, after the decisions were made of who to keep/cut from last year. Stevie Wonder could see that we needed another striker, but Onalfo couldn't. If Porter got off to a rocky start because it took him time to adjust, fine, but 4-5 games in, he should have righted the ship. He never did.
Either clean out everything from Bilello down or give Porter a chance to bring in off season changes. I'm not a huge fan of Porter, but there was no reason his hiring shouldn't have been completed months before he was announced and that is on Bilello and Onalfo.
By expected points the revs were the worst team in MLS. They had the 3rd worst GA record in MLS history, and were tied for 2nd for worst GD in a season. By those metrics, the revs were "lucky" to make it to 31 points, and were realistically closer to winning the spoon than making the playoffs. This with the 7th highest payroll in the league, and with 10s on millions of dollars in transfer fees. I don't trust anyone in a leadership position with the revs to make the right hires to fix this. Billelo will drag his feet on a GM, it'll be an underwhelming hire who then drags their feet on hiring a coach that doesn't show up until February. Clean house. It's the only way
This is the same ownership that gave Burns a third bite at the cherry to hire a coach, and somehow people think they'll make changes after one horrid year? It's not happening, no matter how much we might wish it to be so.
Spot-on assessment of the situation. The Krafts don’t gave a rat’s ass about professional soccer in New England, The Revolution are a means to an end. Namely, filling Gillette Stadium dates when the Patriots’ NFL season hasn’t started and a mega-concert or monster truck rally isn’t available to be booked. If Bob and Jonathan truly cared, Mike Burns wouldn’t have lasted 14 years and 33 days in the Revolution front office and Brian Bilello wouldn’t be in his 21st year with the club. “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.” “Meet the old boss, same as the new boss!” “Six states. One club. Zero Kraft commitment.”
I've tried a boycott, but nobody seemed to notice. I would have been shocked if anybody had.. However.... I think that a few totally empty stadiums on match days might get someone's attention, In truth they've got a lot of scrotum asking people to pay money to attend these events.
On the topic of Porter being hired late and needing some sort of “fair” chance to mold the team.. I feel like he: 1. Changed the goal keeper 2. Brought in a Right back, then a central defender and then another central defender and a left back 3. Promoted a left back from the youth ranks who was/is supposedly super special talent 4. Brought in a central midfielder and a right wing 5. Got new player equivalents in Borrerro and Bye And NEVER integrated them into any kind of cohesive whole that was effective in any way. Particularly his defense shipped goals. So what more do we need to see? Why does he get another chance? Only because it is the Krafts.
The manager's main job is to take the available pieces and mold them into the best unit possible. And while it would certainly help to have a striker who can actually score goals and a DM who can actually defend and not be a turnover machine, all things, considered Porter deserves an F. His club couldn't score goals and couldn't keep the ball out of their own net (despite having a decent Keeper). The 'Bring the Fight' Revs also quit on far too many occasions. In my mind there is no case for Porter returning. While they're at it they can mothball that Bring The Fight theme until they actually have a team that has a little fight in it.
1. Changed the goal keeper - good move, much needed - B 2. Brought in a Right back, then a central defender and then another central defender and a left back - 76 ga this year 46 last year - F 3. Promoted a left back from the youth ranks who was/is supposedly super special talent - B 4. Brought in a central midfielder and a right wing - not really seen enough of these guys but they look decent - C+ 5. Got new player equivalents in Borrerro and Bye - honestly we need upgrades not equivalents I do agree that he needs to go. He took a decent 2023 team and moved them into the cellar
The measure 9 cut once rule says Caleb gets at least another year, so let's just turn our gaze towards 2025 and hope for the best.
I can't begin to figure out why the team was *that* bad, but the sole reason I have for a little optimism is that I like the players brought in since Porter was hired. Given that, part of the problem was players brought in before Porter was hired. Given what he had, it seemed like the team just didn't play hard/smart consistently for Porter - and that's a big concern, whether they make changes or not. I will give him the fact that most mid-season acquisitions need a full season to acclimate, so I think our additions should be better. I think the better parts of this roster, combined with some smart acquisitions in the off-season, could turn this team into a contender. OTOH, can that happen with Porter at the controls? He does have a record of starting badly, then building a champion over a few seasons. But, the stink from this season seems too bad to ignore. I guess my bottom line is that I have little faith with the current team management in place.