Really Random Thoughts - 2024

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  1. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    on the politics board most days I think. at least until very recently anyhow.

    btw as a mod, can you not just, y'know, look?? :)

    here's a hint. last post a couple of hours ago!!!

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/search/48032037/
     
  2. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
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    May 17, 2002
    Ann Arbor, MI
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    I did and the last time he posted was Jun 29, so a couple of weeks ago. Was just curious if anyone who knows him better knew anything...

    EDIT: Oops, should have looked for his activity... I think I had an un-refreshed cache, as now there is a ton of new posts, whereas before the last one I saw was June 29
     
  3. speker

    speker Member+

    May 16, 2009
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    1815560310494757278 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  4. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    What's the relevance of sharks?
     
  5. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
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    May 17, 2002
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    Trump is terrified of them apparently...

    has a fascination with "shark week" and made specific remark about how Great Lakes don't have sharks so it is safe to swim.
     
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  6. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    To me, Shapiro makes the most sense, as it probably boosts Pennsylvania deomcratic voting...

    But that thing that Samarkand or Hubba (apologies - not sure which one said it) said that it might be considered a "too non-white male duo" may come into play. This being still the shadow of Lindbergh's America where irrational suspicion abounds.....

    (leaving aside the funny thing that if I didn't know Shapiro's name, a clueless non-racist like me might have thought he was white....)
     
  7. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    burning247 said:
    Samarkand is going to be Kamala's VP. The mottos write themselves, "the know nothing and the know everything."


    That's a zany and problematic type of comment. Why do people get to feel that it is polemically ok to label a person who was the SF DA (with a winning prosecutorial record %) as a know nothing?? I'd like to see Trump's attempt at passing the CA bar exam.
     
  8. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
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    It's safe to swim in the Great Lakes before he gets there and contaminates the water......
     
  9. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    he's talked about sharks over and over at his rallies. he's obsessed with / scared shitless of them.
     
  10. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
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    Why haven't they renamed the Republican Party the MAGA Party - that's what they are now without a shadow of a doubt. Incredible.
     
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  11. burning247

    burning247 Member+

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    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
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    This is the 2nd time you've tried to make this argument so I'm not sure if you're just living under a rock and have had no exposure to her in the last 3 years? I mean apart from being mostly an absentee VP, she's very awkward and not articulate whatsoever. She talks in circles and often looks out of her depth. She has weird anecdotes for several situations which just don't land. Then there's the psychotic cackling she does. The list goes on and on. Are you telling me all of you look at Kamala Harris and see strength, wisdom, and a great American leader in the making? All Trump bullshit aside because I know he has MANY flaws; I'm just talking about her right now...



     
  12. bayred

    bayred Member+

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    May 28, 2018
    She's obviously bright and capable but doesn't present very well, especially unscripted.
     
  13. SamScouse

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    she gave one hell of a speech this afternoon. nailed Trump and the R's to the wall, repeatedly. excellent stuff.
     
  14. SamScouse

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    here it is - jump to about 3:10 ....

     
  15. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    If she’s going to be successful, she must avoid Hillary’s fatal error. Hillary ran against Trump, she didn’t run against his policies or the GOP, she ran against him as a pussy grabber.

    Everyone and their hound knew then, knows now, that Lumpy is one horrible person. There’s not an awful lot to be gained by showing and telling us how awful Lumpy of the 34 Felonies is. We know.

    Don’t play the man, play the ball.
     
  16. SamScouse

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    to me she balanced that well yesterday. the one-liners got the crowd worked up,
    having seen the media tiptoe around - or much worse - the shit he spouts for so long, hitting him with the hard and simple truths is like a huge breath of fresh air.

    but she listed some of the crap "policies" he represents (he'll never shake P2025 no matter what BS he comes out with) to make sure there's no doubt what a Repub vote means in 2024. not a bad overall approach.

    the "We're Not Going Back" line works on many levels. that needs to be worked in every time.
     
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  17. augie

    augie Member

    Mar 22, 2000
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    She doesn't have to be a polished orator to be, by a country mile, the best speaker in the race.
     
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  18. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    Pure speculation, with definitely nothing to go on. Vance is absolutely almost the 100% wrong VP pick for the GOP to run against Harris.

    Pretty much if you sat down and picked the worst person to run as VP against Harris, Vance might only be ahead of MTG, Cockgrabber Boebert, Laura Loomer, Paul Gosar and Tommy Tuberville. Even Josh Hawley is looking now like he could be a safer pick.

    Anyway, the speculation part: I wonder will Lumpy try to replace Vance before November? A serious illness or family crisis or something like that.
     
  19. bayred

    bayred Member+

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    May 28, 2018
    Sounds far fetched, but I wondered how serious Trump really was about regaining the presidency after the VP selection. Absolutely self defeating even against Biden, because his math is wrong with just his hard core support locked in. Which is the only thing Vance does for him.
     
  20. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    Yeah, that’s my thinking. Vance doesn’t expand his base by even 1 vote.

    Rightly or wrongly, Lumpy believed he was coasting against Biden, so was hardly even in campaign mode. I’m given to understand he was playing more golf than usual in Florida. But now, he’s in a dog fight (one he might very well win) and firstly he needs to get into proper campaign mode and secondly, he’s going to need every vote possible from the 2 constituencies Harris appeals to best and that Vance has seemingly gone out of his way to insult most: women and blacks.

    In a very real sense, Vance went overboard in his successful VP audition once he jumped on the Lumpy train. Being as incendiary and inflammatory as possible or get noticed, to show he really was MAGA. The zeal of a convert, right? Even with Biden, Vance was a poor choice, but against Harris, he’s downright toxic.

    Lumpy has the added conundrum now of how to campaign. Too little and he’s drawing attention to his lack of stamina, age and possible dementia; too much and chances are given his lack of an edit button and inside voice, he’s going to screw up. The word salads he’s serving up at his rallies are going to be even more scrutinized as the word is already out there about his age. He can’t call for the media’s attention for “Sleepy Joe” and not be expect a deep dive on himself, now that he’s the oldest candidate ever to run for president.
     
  21. hubbabubba

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    I think I saw how awkward Vance appears to be best summarized in this article... In case you don't immediately get Heidecker's joke (he's intentionally imitating a comedian who has run out of ideas for good jokes and so just gets up on stage and rants about stupid things and how you can't say anything anymore without getting criticized).
    https://www.cracked.com/article_42961_jd-vance-just-stole-tim-heideckers-hack-stand-up-act.html

    I will say, that what Vance is doing with this Mountain Dew nonsense is referencing Appalachian grievance. Mountain Dew to Appalachia is like Faygo to SE Michigan and Juggalos. It was a regional soft drink up until Pepsi bought it and started distributing it countrywide back in the '80s. So he's speaking in code to people in the know, unfortunately he's being too cute by far and the point is lost on his audience. That's because he's giving his talk in Middletown, which is on the wrong side of OH. If he told that joke in Pomeroy or better yet in Wheeling, WV it'd go over a lot better because people would know what the heck he's saying.
     
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  22. speker

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    I think Trump was fully expecting to run against Biden and and was absolutely confident of winning so he chose Vance not so much to help him get elected but more to help him pursue his hard right agenda after he's elected .
    As for Trump I think his main reason for running again is down to his legal woes which he'll make most go away if he's elected,
     
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  23. augie

    augie Member

    Mar 22, 2000
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    I don't think that he seriously thought he could contend for the presidency the first time, until the polls and primaries showed otherwise. But having tasted that fame and power I think he lusts after it now with a burning passion. The Vance pick doesn't look to be strategically keen, but Trump's level of delusion is such that he probably believes that he is a shoe-in. He may even feel that since he's stacked the SCOTUS, that the actual election results won't even matter.
     
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  24. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Has there been an unexpected shift in the polls since Biden's announcement?
     
  25. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    only thing I've seen (not that I'm looking) showed Harris 2 points above Trump yesterday.
     

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