Really Random Thoughts - 2024

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  1. newterp

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    he has apparently raised a lot of money due to the verdict.... no time to grift like after you've been found to be a convicted felon.
     
  2. Samarkand

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    May 28, 2001
    That’s the thing isn’t it? The money he has raised with solicitations is money largely he would have received anyway from the MAGAidiots. But the stock market is more mainstream and more representative of the monied and business classes, more rooted in reality if you will, and their vote post-verdict was, “we no like”. Which is exactly what I thought a guilty verdict would bring.

    The counterintuitive narrative from Lumpy and his cohorts is that a guilty verdict, or 34 guilty verdicts, would be a boost to him at the ballot box which I still can’t get my head around. But the most immediate reaction from the mainstream - the stock market - is as most would expect, it’s not a good thing.

    The narrative that it’ll be boon appears to be straight up Lumpy bluster and bullshit. Prove me wrong, as the man says.
     
  3. usscouse

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    May 3, 2002
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  4. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
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    I don’t do tweets, twats, instas, or any of that crap but I did find these gems on another thread. So I borrowed them.
    After the Brain Dead Predicted a Market collapse.

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  5. usscouse

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    Goodison did show some usefulness by introducing a game that captivated England.
    Not. :)

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  6. newterp

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    That's indeed another hilarious take - why on earth would the stock market as whole crash from finding out that Trump was officially a felon? The MAGAs are just brain dead in all respects.
     
  7. SamScouse

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  8. Samarkand

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    May 28, 2001
    Still trying to wrap my head around this supposed narrative for the last week or so and, as I said, I just don’t understand the analysis. But I did have an insight, maybe (as I had nothing better to do than to wonder and dream about Lumpy).

    In PR, there’s the very well known phenomenon of telling your story first. As in, he who tells the story first controls the narrative. By telling your story first, everyone else is forced to debunk before establishing their own. At all times, the original story has to be referenced and disproved, until it either wins or is completely rejected.

    I think this is one of those cases where no one really knows what the truth is. But this is a binary situation. Either 34 felony charges garner more votes for Lumpy or they don’t. (If they don’t, there’s a further binary of the same number of votes or fewer votes, but anyway…).

    My feel is that 34 felonies lose him votes, MAGA thinks 34 felonies propel him to 1600. In reality, no one really knows, I believe, not yet anyway. But what you have at the moment is Lumpy and MAGA trying to control the narrative, to get out ahead of the story for damage limitation. The fact that their spin will make zero difference to the number of votes up or down isn’t really the case, it’s about the perception.

    This perception that he’s winning, 34 felonies is a good thing will stay the dominant, but not exclusive, narrative until a better and more obvious one becomes apparent. Early polls are indicating that 34 felonies are a bad thing, but I think we need, firstly, more data and secondly more time to digest the magnitude.
     
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  9. usscouse

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    First to get the message out really does have the advantage, with the old media trick follow up.

    “As reported earlier this week”
     
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  10. zaqualung

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  11. Samarkand

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    Lumpy now says, he never, not once, ever chanted or said “Lock her up!” in relation to Hillary Clinton and when his crowds did chant it, he thought it was terrible.

    Sighhhhhhhhhh…:rolleyes:


    Amazing how being convicted of 34 felonies gives you such clarity of thought.
     
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  12. newterp

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    It's amazing.
     
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  13. speker

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    FACT CHECK: Trump DENIES saying 'Lock her up' (youtube.com)
     
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  14. LiverpoolFanatic

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    Feb 19, 2000
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    2+2=5 Winston. We've always been at war with Oceania.
     
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  15. Samarkand

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    I love it that he thought it was a terrible thing to chant and shouldn’t have been done.
     
  16. zaqualung

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    Clarity of thought is something like the Dodo inside his head.....
     
  17. Samarkand

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    #92 Samarkand, Jun 6, 2024
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    Who remembers being told it was a nonsense that Roe would ever be overturned?

    No way, no how, right? Yet when it was overturned, the right wing rump made it very clear that finding a right to privacy in the 14th Amendment was a nonsense. The right wing echo chambers then claimed that Roe was a one-off, there was no way, no how that they were coming for any of the other rights that had been built on this right to privacy. So they weren’t coming after gay marriage, interracial marriage or contraception. Griswold, Lawrence and Loving were not in the crosshairs.

    38 GOP senators voted against making any right to contraception a federal law, speaking in terms of giving condoms to little kids. Because this is what they do. Say they’re all in favor, but then find a thousand reasons to vote against. You had that ridiculous Alabama ruling on IVF earlier this year and now this. How no doubt, zero, the GOP is coming for contraception. A states’ right thing, they’re going to claim, which means it’ll be outlawed and clusterf.ucked as abortion has been since the fall of Roe. But we were assured that post Roe, contraception was safe. Watch the rhetoric ramp up in the coming months about how dangerous contraception is and the Democrats want to give condoms to kindergarteners. Just watch.

    Have no doubt, the zealots are coming. Contraception, gay marriage and interracial marriage. And for anyone who says that’s ridiculous, they’d never do that? Just remember, Roe was settled law, so they said. Griswold is also settled law, Loving and Lawrence too. They’re coming for them all.
     
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  18. Samarkand

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    Oh, they may walk with a little less spring in their step, and their ranks are growing thinner. But let us never forget, when they were young, these men saved the world.
     
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  19. Samarkand

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    May 28, 2001
    John Hatfield and Daniel Bonevac anyone? No reason you should know them. They’re professors at UT-Austin.

    They’re suing for 2 separate rights, both concerning their absolute need to discriminate against those who are not like them.
    1. Any student that misses class while obtaining an abortion out of state will have, at the very minimum, their grades lowered regardless of academic performance.
    2. If any student or TA identifies as LBGTQ+, they want the right to discriminate against them in ways yet to be decided.

    The Right, dontcha just love ‘em?
     
  20. newterp

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    That's ... weird. I would say they are going to get smacked down hard, but then I realized it's Texas.
     
  21. Samarkand

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    May 28, 2001
    Not just Texas, but Matthew Kazmierczak.

    They’ll win their lawsuit at a canter. All they’ll have to do is stand up when Kazmierczak enters the court and their motion about the absolute need to discriminate or else they’ll cry will be granted.

    Which means it’ll be then appealed to the SC.
     
  22. newterp

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    You can count on Alito and Thomas to do the right thing.
     
  23. Samarkand

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    May 28, 2001
    It’s the right wing f.uckers I feel sorry for. Not being allowed to discriminate against and not being able to force their lifestyle and beliefs on those who are not like them because their god tells them so. That has to be a terrible burden to bear.
     
  24. bayred

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    For people proclaiming a pro-life, anti-abortion position this opposition to IVF (creates life, right?) and contraception (eliminates the potential need for abortion) truly baffles me. Definitely lunatic fringe stuff.
     
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  25. Samarkand

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    May 28, 2001
    I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it as lunatic fringe or any sort of fringe. If Lumpy wins come November, it’ll be front and center; if he doesn’t, it’ll continue creeping up at state level until Alito decides it’s the law of the land. And Lawrence is definitely in the crosshairs.

    Plus it has also moved on from pro-life as such to pro-Christian control of people’s lives.
     

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