Tyler Adams at AFC Bournemouth

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  1. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Yeah, it's unlikely playing in June or in August would make the difference. Just might have meant he got it sooner.
     
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  2. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jeez. He’s becoming Holden / O’Brien. Get better soon.
     
  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah he still would have missed preseason and the start of the season. Just would have been back sooner.

    But Tyler Adams also has some agency here and it feels like he often pushes himself to play when he shouldn’t because of injury. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
     
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  4. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I suppose the other counter-possibility is he nursed it through a summer of rest and training and then played full-out in August - and realized then he needed the surgery and lost more time. I got no idea, of course, from my couch a few thousand miles away, but if the back needs surgery, playing or not playing won't make much difference. If he could have recovered without surgery, that, of course, is a different animal, but seems unlikely given the reports.
     
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  5. soonertony

    soonertony Member

    Feb 2, 2003
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess I’m unclear what it is about this statement that leads anyone to believe that he would have had surgery no matter what. Why would Bournemouth let him play if that was a foregone conclusion?
     
  6. soonertony

    soonertony Member

    Feb 2, 2003
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay, answering my own question with further quotes from Iraola. Sounds like they didn’t want him to go.

    Iraola was then asked why Bournemouth did not prevent Adams from playing in the Copa América. The manager said, "It was not our choice. It is a decision for the nations, who are allowed to select players, and he wanted to play thinking the injury would get better, but he felt it was getting worse."

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...goes-back-surgery-premier-league-season-start
     
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  7. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    Most of his injuries seem related to me. Hamstrings, back, etc. Problems with one often lead to issues with the other. I don't think he'll be much of a factor with the national team going forward, between his injuries and the development of other midfielders, but I hope he manages to keep his club career alive.
     
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  8. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Not sure how it sounds like that but, even if it's true, shouldn't he have had the surgery instead of going to the Copa?

    Have the surgery earlier, rehab earlier, rehab slower, be fully fit in time for pre-season, etc.

    Injured players miss World Cups and they come around every 4 years. Copas come every 2.
     
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  9. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    He needs to focus on his back and then the rest of his body. Without that, he's go no career. Meanwhile, his paycheck will take care of itself until his contract expire.

    Good job that doesn't happen until 2028
     
  10. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So he played in Copa and it got worse. And it sounds like the club would have preferred he didn’t play.

    Oh well, it’s his career.
     
  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s very much on all three of the player, the club, and US Soccer.
     
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  12. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a shame ... yes this seems to be evolving just like JOBs career evolved ... Tyler is more physical where John was more technical but in both cases their bodies could not handle the stresses. A difference was that JOB was not nominally the team captain. Tyler has the drive and the will to lead the men - but (at present) his body cannot support that. At some point - someone just should have shut it down. Pretty clear now that between Tyler, country, and club - he should just have been sent to doctors and Cardoso should have slotted in right in for the matches and Tyler should not have trained another minute for CA. Between Gregg and Tyler (I just don't blame Bournemouth - they would never want the risk) they should have arrived at the prudent decision. At this point the USMNT should not call him back in until he can successfully play multiple Bournemouth matches for 90 minutes and stay healthy. Till then I would just tell him stay across the pond and wish him well. Cardoso has to be the man now ....
     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All those after school two hour each way drives to and from the Red Bulls' academy probably didn't do his developing body any good.
     
  14. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    If we’re going to assign blame in all this, let’s place it where it belongs …

    on Chelsea! :mad:
     
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  15. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Depends what it is. Jedi getting surgery for his sports hernia was a foregone conclusion back in January, or so.
     
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  16. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Has anyone seen what the surgery is? That will tell a lot regarding whether he could have escaped it altogether. Some things can heal/become less symptomatic over time. But some won't and he would have ended up here regardless. Bummer either way.
     
  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s not quite true they can’t stop him. If he’s injured they can deny a call up.

    At least in interviews leading up to the Copa Adams gave the impression the club had signed off and that everything was doing was so he could hit the ground running next season. And they sat him out the Colombia game at the request of Bournemouth.

    Iraola also said leading up to the Copa America“He also has the Copa America at the end of the season, which probably is good for him, he keeps growing and positions himself for the pre-season in the best way.”

    So the club at the very least cleared him to go.
     
  18. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    #cooked

    At least as an EPL player. Not due to a question of quality, but a question of availability.
     
  19. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Agreed that Adams should have taken care of his body, and protected his career, instead of playing in this tournament.

    But I have to correct the bolded, in that CONMEBOL, being a "big boy" confed, have the Copa America quadrennially, whereas grabasstic, cashgrabbing piece of shyte CONCACAF have their stoopid Gold Crap biennially, and always comfortably in the US.

    Still don't think Adams should have played, but oh well. Best of luck to him.
     
  20. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    It’s hard for me to believe that without those Copa minutes - he would have healed enough by the start of the season to avoid surgery. Maybe this just highlighted the need sooner.

    What depressing news - it’s why we should be grateful for any players who tick many of the necessary boxes - incredible talent, able to handle pressure, insane work ethic AND a body that can handle the demands of professional soccer. Back surgery at 25 would make me question whether it’s worth it because the second half of his life could really suck.
     
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  21. Mt Stone@

    Mt Stone@ Member+

    Apr 30, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Yeh, there comes a point to where the injuries add up and you should start questioning whether continually risking your health to this extent is really worth it. He has made some good money, but health is far more important. Its just continual injuries at this point, hamstrings, groin, back, whats next? knees? The guy doesn't need to completely ruin his body at 25 only to live his next 30-40 years as a cripple.
     
  22. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    It really depends on what the "back surgery" is. I had a thing called a micro-lamanectomy (or something like that) due to constant nerve pain as a result of a disc bulge from too much soccer with knee issues. It relieved 80% of my neuropathy and was pretty mild as far as back surgery goes. And I've had friends with upper-spine issues who have had to have multiple surgeries and whose lives have really be messed up as a result. Does anyone know what he's getting done?
     
  23. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My interpretation, admittedly a speculation based on the LACK of evidence of hand-wringing by anyone (except folks here on BS), is that the surgery is minor and an inconvenience more than a career-saving or medical necessity. Sometimes additional minor surgery is needed remove of scar tissue resulting from prior surgery or trauma. The scar tissue might be causing discomfort or limiting full muscle extension, for example.
     
  24. harttbeat

    harttbeat Member+

    Dec 29, 1998
    New York
    Even if afc agreed to let him go, he was only positioned to play 45mins a game which really screwed us during that Panama game.

    It's a major tournament. Subs are important.
     
  25. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
    Club:
    Arminia Bielefeld
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That @matabala person called these consistent injury issues following him throughout his career long ago. Hate to see it happening to Tyler over and over again.

    Really hoping for the best and soon.
     

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