UEFA Euro 2024: Other Teams Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Apr 24, 2024.

  1. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    My point is it was against Scotland. If Musiala does that against Spain or France then I'd have understood more. Say Bellingham or Foden scores a Hattrick against Serbia you wouldn't then say they were better than Mbappe.
     
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  2. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    But you think Mbappe is better than Kane at those attributes that Kane excels at? Most of the time I’ve seen Mbappe against City for example he’s mostly been pocketed by Walker.
     
  3. Wendigo7

    Wendigo7 Member+

    Bournemouth
    England
    Mar 31, 2015
    Poole
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    That, and hes a natural born 100m sprinter. We don't have that anywhere in the side.
     
  4. Where Rangers/Celtic went awol/fail in this local talent grooming it provides the chance for the other clubs to step in and profit from the talents ignored.
     
  5. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    For an English player you have to excel against a top team to get credit, elsewhere those rules don’t count. Those are just the laws of football and the reality of being an Englishman.
     
  6. Well, in the first half of the friendly against the Orange Squad they were the better side and only failed to finish their chances.
     
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  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    McCoist is fantastic because it feels like you're watching the game with a mate. His analysis is good rather than great, but his insight and comments are top notch.
     
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  8. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I think they are capable of better performances than last night but I just had a feeling they would end up being outclassed. Germany are a good side ( even if I hate to admit it on here with some of their annoying manchild posters boys ) who I personally think will win it.
     
  9. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Yes. Musiala is a great young player but I've watched a fair bit at bayern munich this season and he has been good but no where near Bellinghams level at the minute. Infact if you look at good young number 10s in world football Palmers had a better season,
     
  10. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Normally you would expect that to happen, but the whole league tended to move to a very short term approach. Teams looked to get established players from the lower English leagues rather than develop their own, just to try to stay competitive. The 10 team top division was one factor - while it meant the quality was better overall, it became much easier to get relegated in a poor season rather than finish lower mid table. Teams couldn't afford to take chances, so were looking for players to make immediate impacts. Outside of the Old Firm, there's never been much cash, so youth development was often left to chance. The decline of the non-league system was another big factor - the Junior League. It was suffering financially and major reforms in the late 60s hobbled it into later years.
    If you look back at some of the most talented players Scotland produced in the 70s and 80s, many came from the Juniors into smaller clubs - Alan Hansen at Partick Thistle, Davie Cooper at Clydebank, Steve Nicol at Ayr, Joe Jordan at Morton, Steve Archibald at Clyde, Ally McCoist at St Johnstone. They all had a grounding in the Junior League in their mid to late teens and then moved into smaller pro teams before making it big.
     
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  11. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I think Mbappe has like 3 goals in 5 games against City. There are of course things that Kane is better at than Mbappe, but ultimately I think Mbappe's best qualities are more scalable to the absolute pinnacle of the game, or at least he's better at imposing his game on the biggest stage than Kane is.

    Yeah, the speed is a massive part of it. Such a huge advantage in terms of fashioning your own chances.
     
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  12. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    That's not true. Kane can win games on his own. Kane has qualities that mbappe doesn't have. He's an amazing passer of the ball. Mbappe is quicker but both players are equally technical
     
  13. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    We have a good midfield. Wharton rice and Bellingham are better potentially than kroos kimmich Musiala
     
  14. The big difference between the two is that where Mbappe appears, titles follow, where Kane appears, titles go....;)
     
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  15. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    He can now and again but not to the same level Mbappe can/does. Kane did that more earlier in his career, less no nowadays.
     
  16. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I do love seeing Scottish tears. They can dish it out but not take it back. Like all of the home nations.
     
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  17. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Kane supplied amazing passes at the world cup. It was his cross that foden finished against wales
     
  18. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Great to hear Clive tisley
     
  19. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Who is he?
     
  20. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I disagree, his passing is still high quality especially when dropping deep. It will be interesting to see how well Mbappe does as he gets older with regard to his pace. I mean Kane could realistically go on at the top level for quite some time as he’s never relied on that attribute where as Mbappe does rely on that asset to a large degree.
     
  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Well yeah you got me there but to be fair I think if Kane was playing for PSG, he might have quite a few by now but he maybe foolishly stayed loyal to Spurs for a few seasons too long imo.
     
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  22. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Good job for VAR for that Swiss goal as clearly not offside and not really close. Great pass though from the Swiss player.
     
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  23. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Switzerland all over Hungary.
     
  24. Wendigo7

    Wendigo7 Member+

    Bournemouth
    England
    Mar 31, 2015
    Poole
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Hungary are quite highly rated so this is a poor start.
     
  25. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Is it just me or is Vargas, Curtis Jones’s doppelgänger?
     

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