Ukraine vs Russia III

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  1. Yoshou

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    Turtle tank gets vaporized.

     
  2. Paul Berry

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    Blue sky, yellow sun. Must be Ukraine.
     
  3. Yoshou

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    Wall Street Journal is reporting that the US will equip Ukraine's F16s that can use the US's most advanced weapons like the AIM-120 AMRAAM. Which variant is likely really important as the "standard" version has a range up to 120km while the ER version has a range up to 180km. With Russian glide bombs having a 40km range, this puts Russian fighter/bombers well within the range of the missiles. Not only that, but the targeting of the missiles can be acquired via other planes. As an example, if Ukraine had an AWAC airplane (no idea if they do), it could identify Russian fighter/bombers from over Kyiv, well outside of Russia's anti-air missile ranges, while a F16 flying low to the ground fires an AMRAAM or two targeting the Russian aircraft. With this technique, the first warning the Russian aircraft would have that a missile is flying their way is when it explodes near their cockpit.

    https://www.wsj.com/world/u-s-to-arm-ukraines-f-16-jets-with-advanced-weapons-71d81e20
     
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  4. RafaLarios

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    Sweden has pledged two Saab 340 AEW&C planes , however I don't know what is the timeline on delivering that.

    An article about that here.
     
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  5. spejic

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    #8755 spejic, Jul 30, 2024
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    Ukraine already has lots of AMRAAM missiles because it's used in the NASAMS anti-aircraft system.

    All of this is very tricky because intercept ranges vary widely depending on a lot of things, like if the targeted aircraft is flying towards or away, or at what altitude you launch.
     
  6. Yoshou

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    #8756 Yoshou, Jul 31, 2024
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    They aren’t interchangeable. The AMRAAMs for NASAM have been modified to be used surface-to-air. They could, of course, be modified back to air-to-air, but you can’t hotswap out of a NASAM launcher and put it on an F16. We also don’t know what variant has been provided to Ukraine for NASAM vs variant provided for F16s.

    Not as much as you may think. Yes, in order for the to get the full 180km it needs to be high altitude, but even at low altitude launch, it’s still significantly longer than a 40km range glide bomb.

    Russian glide bombs are dropped from over Russian controlled territory, as you’ve previously noted, and Ukrainian F16s aren’t going to leave Ukrainian controlled territory. So any intercepts are going to be head-on vs low and slow targets that are heavily laden with glide bombs. They also don’t even need to hit. Any Russian aircraft that gets an active ping from an AMRAAM is going to drop its bombs immediately so it can at least get some maneuverability..
     
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  7. goliath74

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    Ukrainian air force did not have AWAC planes prior to Russian invasion. Swedish AWAC planes are now a part of Ukrainian air forces but I do not know if they had been delivered yet.
     
  8. The Irish Rover

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    #8758 The Irish Rover, Jul 31, 2024
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    So much wasted explosives :(

    Unless they hit their own positions :D:D
     
  9. The Irish Rover

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    From Thomas Theiner, former artillery and then staff colonel in the Alpini regiment

    Nardelli works for Bloomberg. If he says it and Blommberg publishes it, then it's almost certainly true
     
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  10. waitforit

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    For some reason your post made me realize my that USA could easily have given the A6-Prowler to Ukraine. It was recently retired so they will work

    I googled and except an articles in WSJ saying just that Ukraine could use it.

    But it is weird because it would help a lot that Ukraine never asked/insisted?
     
  11. Yoshou

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    There aren't that many and the airframes are really, really old. Obviously Ukraine could use them, but production ran from 1966 to 1991.
     
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  12. waitforit

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    So I searched

    Apparently they were retired 2019 and in normal conditions something retired in 2019 would be easier to bring the Prowlers were in a sad state and in 2019 only 4 were functional

    Too bad honestly as it would have helped immensely
     
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  13. yasik19

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    Big prisoner exchange today.
     
  14. yasik19

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    Also, apparently Putin sent Wagner forces to Venezuela to help Maduro (which wouldn't be the first time).
     
  15. Yoshou

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    With Russia increasingly relying upon drones to attack Ukrainian positions and vehicles as well, they've been ramping up production as quickly as possible. One way they've been doing that is to have as many manufacturers/assemblers to start making them as possible. One of these manufacturers is Sudoplatov, which initially sent all of its drones set to the same frequency. Ukraine figured this out and jammed the frequency. Well, Russia decided this was such a great idea that they have now treed up all of the other drone manufacturers/assemblers under Sudoplatov.

    This, of course, is not always a bad idea as it could allow for Russia to maximize coordination between the companies, but given Sudoplatov's issues with drone production, it has caused Russian milbloggers to complain.

     
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  16. Yoshou

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    I haven't seen any mention of who was sent back to Russia in today's prisoner exchange (probably because they are Russian spies), but as mentioned above by yasik, there was a prisoner exchange between the West and Russia.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...-the-release-of-americans-detained-in-russia/

    Perhaps the most amusing reaction is the Igor Girkin's wife complaining that her husband was not one of the prisoners that the West negotiated the release of.. I'm not sure what she's thinking here as Igor has been convicted in the Netherlands for the murder of the crew and passengers on MH17 and sentenced to life in prison. Obviously, conditions in Dutch prisons is significantly better than conditions in Russian prisons, so there's that?

     
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  17. yasik19

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    According to some Telegram channels (and apologies it's in Russian), this is the list of Russian prisoners:

    Артем и Анна Дульцевы (из Словении);
    ▪️Вадим Красиков (из Германии);
    ▪️Михаил Микушин (из Норвегии);
    ▪️Павел Рубцов (из Польши);
    ▪️Роман Селезнев (из США);
    ▪️Владислав Клюшин (из США);
    ▪️Вадим Конощенко (из США).
     
  18. Yoshou

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    I don't read Russian. ;) Granted, I also wouldn't know what they did to get arrested.

    I did see that one of the released was a man that killed a Chechen rebel leader in Germany.
     
  19. yasik19

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    Yea, I've no idea who they are or what they did.
    • Artem and Anna Dultsev (from Slovenia)
    • Vadim Krasikov (from Germany)
    • Michail Mikushin (from Norway)
    • Pavel Rubtsov (from Poland)
    • Roman Seleznev (from US)
    • Vladislav Klushin (from US)
    • Vadim Konoschenko (from US)
     
  20. Yoshou

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    Ukraine attacked a Russian base in Syria, destroying an anti-drone system and several other military equipment.

     
  21. Yoshou

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    Awwww. Poor guy. All locked up in prison while opposition activists are released.

     
  22. roby

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    All of the people imprisoned in Russia are innocents while those in the West are guilty. Do I have that right? :confused:
     
  23. Yoshou

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    Speaking of which! Former Defense Minister Shoigyu can’t be liking life right now. Pretty much his entire inner circle has been removed from their positions and some of them have been arrested.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1819118687498260548.html
     
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  24. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Putin has doubled the signing bonus for new recruits (which is supposed to be at least doubled again by the region and sometimes added onto by the city, so it varies by region and in some places (like Moscow) can get really big). They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't need to as costs for signing bonuses and death/injury payments is now at a insane level (if they actually paid them all out, which they don't).

    But there was an interesting point from the latest Vlad Vexler video - high signing bonuses are a way of mollifying the population because they don't see recruits as lives wasted in a needless war, but as gamblers hoping for a life-changing payout if they survive their tour.
     
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  25. yasik19

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